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Thread (Discussion): [TheKansasCityChannel.com] Kansas Rep. wants bumper sticker law for sex offenders
Message 126637
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Posted by admin
on Jan 31, 2004 04:49 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Kansas Rep. wants bumper sticker law for sex offenders, which appeared on TheKansasCityChannel.com on January 30, 2004.
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Message 126638 (In Reply to Message 126637)
Posted by steve
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The politician in West Virginia wants license plates that identify sex offenders. This Kansas politician wants a bumper sticker, but with a catch - those that don't want it can have a GPS system installed. I think all of the above ideas have little merit and are too intrusive privacy wise, but at least the GPS system addresses the issue of retribution. I wonder what the proposed legislation says about who will foot the bill for the GPS device and all of the costs related to monitoring it.
Also, at the original source of the article there is a poll "Is the bumper sticker bill a good idea?" As of this post, the results are yes - 17 (33%), no - 28 (55%) and not sure - 6 (12%).
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Message 126653 (In Reply to Message 126637)
JASI
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Just Another Stupid Idea
That about sums it up. This state represenative is obviously up for reelection and is trying to appear "tough on crime". Maybe if he added a felony rider on his idea that stated anyone guilty of retaliation against anyone in a stickered car is guilty of a first degree felony and will receive a mandatory 10 years in jail?
I mean its all for "protection" right? Not punishment?
Silverthorne
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wonder what the proposed legislation says about who will foot the bill for the GPS device and all of the costs related to monitoring it.
This is what it says:
New Section 1. (a) Except for offenders defined under the provisions
of subsections (a)(4)(C), (a)(5), (a)(7), (a)(8), (c)(2), (c)(11), (c)(13, (c)(14) and (d) of K.S.A. 22-4902, and amendments thereto, any person required to register as an offender under K.S.A. 22-4901 et seq., and amendments thereto, shall also be required to: (1) Attach to and display on any motor vehicle operated by such person a symbol or other device indicating that the person is a registered offender under K.S.A. 22-4901 et seq., and amendments thereto. The symbol or other device shall be attached to the front and rear bumper of any such motor vehicle; or
(2) be monitored by a global positioning systems unit. Such unit shall continuously track and provide data on the person’s movement. Such unit shall be provided at the expense of the person.
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2004/2611.pdf
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If this bumper sticker idea passes, it'd be interesting to have this politician spend a day or two riding around in a "labeled car" with a SO to see what kind of reactions and actions occur as a result. Also, have a local news media person do a story on it from spending the day in the vehicle with the convicted driver as he or she does their daily routine.
I'll bet the fear of what might happen to them while in the vehicle will deter them from the assignment.
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Message 126767 (In Reply to Message 126756)
tats
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why not just tatto everyones fore head the nazi's did it , this is another reason why the entire law will fade away in time , you can only beat a dog so much before it dies .
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Message 126786 (In Reply to Message 126711)
Washington State is considering GPS devices too
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Washington State is considering using GPS to track sex offenders, and is currently doing a trial run to test the feasibility of such a system. They expect the offenders to pay for the cost of the devices. If some legislators have their way, all convicted sex offenders will be required to wear the GPS devices. So not only would you be registering, you would be wearing the GPS devices. It is part of a current trend to track sex offenders, because they feel that they don't know where all the sex offenders are.
I would go along with the idea only if all my state legislators would be required to wear the GPS devices too.
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Message 126813 (In Reply to Message 126786)
What good?
Posted by Silverthorne
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Whats the use of this is my question? Some paranoid media-fostered fear of snatched kids? I mean there are so few real "stranger abduction" type molestations in America each year (200 or so according to NCMEC) measures like this are just ridiculous.
Your far more likely as a kid to be hit by lightning then you are to be "stranger abducted". This is nothing but paranoia and "revenge" at work.
On another hand though if they have GPS they shouldnt have to register right? I mean the authorities will know where they are all the time and could easily solve molestation cases so they dont need a registry?
Part of the problem is with recidivism rates so low there really wont be any decrease in the number of sex assaults with a measure like this. All there will be is another stupid law being proposed because this one "didnt work" the next time some crime happens.
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On another hand though if they have GPS they shouldnt have to register right? I mean the authorities will know where they are all the time and could easily solve molestation cases so they dont need a registry?
I'll assume you're being facetious since unlike public notification and registration, GPS tracking of offenders does nothing to inform citizens of convicted sex offenders in their area. However, if citizens are able to purchase handheld tracking devices that alert the user to offenders in their vicinity along with photos, physical descriptions, offense history and more then it could be pushed as a public sex offender registry replacement. I bet there will be more fear and hysteria with such a system than with a public registry, but it could be a viable alternative.
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"I'll assume you're being facetious since unlike public notification and registration, GPS tracking of offenders does nothing to inform citizens of convicted sex offenders in their area. "
Yes its just sarcasm. I'm sure this GPS and Bumper Sticker (BS - hey those are good initials for it right) idea are because kids need to be safe and there hasnt been a big drop of molestation cases even with the registries.
Silverthorne
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Message 126831 (In Reply to Message 126786)
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Since data seems to indicate that it isn't the known SO's who are committing the crimes, wouldn't it be more beneficial if they put the GPS units on the KIDS instead?
Oh. My bad. That would be an unfair financial burden on the persons deriving the most benefit from it, namely the parents of the child.
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Message 126832 (In Reply to Message 126818)
GPS defeat
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For anybody desiring such a thing strictly for "informational purposes" and not any illegal activity, I'll be glad to provide detailed instructions on how to build a simple L1(1575.42Mhz) jammer that will defeat GPS tracking on the devices most commonly used by LE.
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Message 126843 (In Reply to Message 126831)
GPS Tracking of Kids
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I believe that all kids should be required to wear a GPS device until they are 18 years of age. Having such devices would make it easier to locate kids when Amber Alerts are issued. Parents would also know where there kids are at all times. With all the positive benefits that parents would derive from the GPS devices, it is certainly well worth the parents investment. With software, the parents can use their home computers for tracking where their kids are. Those that don't have computers can always go down to the local library to use one there.
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I agree. But try getting the parents to go along with it. Perhaps a law is needed "for the public good"?
I can hear it now. The opponents will say that SO's would snoop on the GPS signal and thus have an instant map of where every kid was.
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Message 127063 (In Reply to Message 126638)
Posted by exoffender1
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I didn't look at the proposed legislation but I expect this would be a lot like most of the other legislation that has been passed in that there would be many ways around it. I would find a way around it or I would just outright disobey it. I'm not going to let the morons punish me any further. I'm not going to let them endanger me and especially not my children. They've already endangered my children enough at my home. Anything more and there will be serious problems.
The "Is the bumper sticker bill a good idea" poll is at:
Yes - 87 (16%)
No - 423 (80%)
Not Sure - 21 (4%)
I suppose most of the voters are local Kansas people. Who knew they were so much smarter than the rest of the country?
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126637, admin, Jan 31, 2004 04:49 PM [Introduction]
126638, steve, Jan 31, 2004 09:54 PM
126711, orolan, Feb 01, 2004 07:21 PM
126786, Navigatr1, Feb 03, 2004 02:44 AM [Washington State is considering GPS de...]
126813, Silverthorne, Feb 03, 2004 05:45 AM [What good?]
126818, steve, Feb 03, 2004 01:32 PM
126826, Silverthorne, Feb 03, 2004 05:02 PM
126832, orolan, Feb 03, 2004 07:42 PM [GPS defeat]
126831, orolan, Feb 03, 2004 07:30 PM
126843, Navigatr1, Feb 04, 2004 07:00 AM [GPS Tracking of Kids]
126855, orolan, Feb 04, 2004 06:09 PM [Navigatr1]
127063, exoffender1, Feb 09, 2004 06:25 PM
126653, Silverthorne, Feb 01, 2004 12:06 AM [JASI]
126756, lj, Feb 02, 2004 12:44 PM
126767, poetsdreamscape, Feb 02, 2004 03:26 PM [tats]
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