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Thread (Discussion): [The Edmonton Sun] Mom alarmed by pedophile's presence at slumber party - I agree
Message 120498
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Posted by admin
on Oct 26, 2003 01:00 AM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Mom alarmed by pedophile's presence at slumber party, by Ian Wilson, which appeared on The Edmonton Sun on October 25, 2003.
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Message 120577 (In Reply to Message 120498)
yet another example
Posted by myoung
on Oct 27, 2003 06:50 PM | Also by myoung
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Here is a fine example of the good use of a registry. This is what I am lobbying for in PA. We have absolutely nothing here that is of any use. I want to be able to check out the people my kids will be around or under their supervision, etc. Isn't it my right as a human to protect my kids and have tools supplied to me to do just that!!?
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Message 120648 (In Reply to Message 120577)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Oct 29, 2003 04:21 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Isnt there already a registry in Alberta??????
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Message 120695 (In Reply to Message 120648)
Posted by PVulcan
on Oct 29, 2003 11:13 PM | Also by PVulcan
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Canada is far ahead of the usa when it comes to issues of sex crimes. The risk level that we have here in washington state was enacted as model from what the canadians have been doing for years.
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Message 120715 (In Reply to Message 120648)
how does this help me here?
Posted by myoung
on Oct 30, 2003 04:43 AM | Also by myoung
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I am not sure that a registry in alberta would help me here in the US. Unless you are just pointing out that they had one where this event took place.... or are you saying that they have one and didn't use it?
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Message 120719 (In Reply to Message 120715)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Oct 30, 2003 08:12 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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That even with a registry you still have to get people to use it.
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Message 120830 (In Reply to Message 120719)
silver
Posted by myoung
on Nov 01, 2003 04:43 AM | Also by myoung
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I totally agree with you....that is why I am urging our lawmakers to not only make the registry more user friendly to the public but also to educate the people of my state on its use. You can't just lay something that heavy out there for the public without explanation and without proper implementation. Educating the public is key but it seems that education has always taken a back seat (especially here in PA). Maybe our lawmakers assume too much. I think you know as well as anyone that assuming the general public has a general understanding about anything or assuming that they are generally informed is a very ignorant stance to take.
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Message 120833 (In Reply to Message 120830)
Politicians use public uproar to pass legislature
Posted by lj
on Nov 01, 2003 05:20 AM | Also by lj
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Myoung:
Politicians in California constantly throw out the idea that the general public is in an uproar about sex offenders and the inadequate condition of the registry here.
If the general public doesn't have a general understanding and isn't informed, then the logical conclusion is that politicians are lying about the uproar and creating their own agenda upon the masses.
When they passed the Megan's law extension here recently, politicians used the "uproar" as a basis for their decision to extend it. I read many newspapers on-line during that time and couldn't find but a smidgen of articles interviewing the public on where they stood on the issue. The local TV news had only a couple of small reports to where they interviewed just a couple of people about it--and those people weren't even mad about the issue.
Makes one wonder!
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Message 121094 (In Reply to Message 120577)
Registries are not useful enough to justify their existence
Posted by exoffender1
on Nov 06, 2003 04:04 AM | Also by exoffender1
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I'm not sure it is your "right as a human" to "have tools supplied" to you. But I am sure that if you are part of a group that gets such tools created, it is your OBLIGATION to pay for the tools and deal with the myriad problems that are created by them. The obligation exists as long as the tools and the problems they create exist.
You have absolutely nothing that is of use there in PA? Can you not do background checks on people? Since you are so concerned about your kids that you think a public Registry would be worth all the problems it will cause, I assume that you have done background checks on people already. Is that the case?
After all, I know you are concerned about people's past behavior with regard to a lot more than just what a s*x crimes Registry will show you. For example, I can tell you undoubtedly that you should be a lot more concerned about a person that would put your child in a car and then drive it recklessly than someone who would touch your child. That person is far more common and far more dangerous and destructive. But it's a lot harder to get hysterical about that person, isn't it?
The answer lies with educating your children, not keeping them away from a few people. It doesn't lie with creating a huge underclass of people and making it difficult for them to live lawfully. Those people WILL lash back in some manner.
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Message 121102 (In Reply to Message 121094)
Pennslyvania does have online registry
Posted by steve
on Nov 06, 2003 05:23 AM | Also by steve
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> You have absolutely nothing that is of use there in PA? Can you not do
> background checks on people? Since you are so concerned about your
> kids that you think a public Registry would be worth all the problems
> it will cause, I...
I know this is addressing what myoung said, but I wanted to point out that Pennslyvania does in fact have an online sex offender registry which lists sexually violent predators. Click "Sex Offender Registry" from the menu at the top of this page, then "Pennsylvania" from the state list in the center column. It only lists a small subset of convicted sex offenders, but they're presumably the most dangerous and at risk, which is what the registries should be limited to in the first place.
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Message 121205 (In Reply to Message 120498)
what you don't know
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Nov 07, 2003 07:07 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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It's not what you know that you should care about it's what you don't know you should worry about .A registry does nothing to protect anyone because everyday is a new day and a new victim as wel as a perpetrator
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Message 121209 (In Reply to Message 121102)
yes....but
Posted by myoung
on Nov 07, 2003 02:16 PM | Also by myoung
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Hi Steve....thanks for pointing that out. I am aware of it but the fact that Megan's Law was amended in 2000 to include VSP's on the site (and mandatory lifetime reg.) excluded those who did not fall under any grandfather clause to be registered as VSP's. Therefore, those listed on that site are only those who were convicted after July 7, 2000 or had not completed their max sentence by July 7, 2000. This leaves those off the registry who are deemed VSP's but slid under that deadline. The guy I rented to is one of them....gee how many more are there??:? That is the problem with PA registry. They only list tier 3 offenders and even that info is very very limited. I sent an email request (to test the system) to run a name for me (a real name). This was approx. 2 weeks ago and I have gotten no response from the state police. Our system just sucks and needs some tweaking. I do agree with prior posts that all offenders (not just SO's) should be listed. My family had a rather scary thing happen in my mom's (very quiet upper middle class) neighborhood where there was a bloody woman running down the street with one of the neighbor's (full grown) son's chasing her. He had been in jail for other offenses but he raped and was trying to kill this woman. It was very shocking to say the least and we found out he had priors for drugs, violence, etc. No one knew because the family kept it quiet which did a grave disservice to the neighbors. He was always seen with his two (very small) children.....hard to believe he still had visitation without supervision with all the drug priors.
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Message 121210 (In Reply to Message 121094)
have you read any.....
Posted by myoung
on Nov 07, 2003 02:30 PM | Also by myoung
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Hi exoffender.....
Have you read any of my other posts? I am a very active mom who is probably way too open with her kids. I never hold back and I tell them too much sometimes but I think it's important. And yes....I am very open about talking about sex, drugs, crime, decision making, child rearing.....etc. I do worry about people who make bad decisions and have poor judgement where kids are involved. I agree that there are many, daily encounters to worry about but in my state, we have no public access for anything and I think it's unfair. I have run background checks on prospective tenants....yes. The funny thing is, when the request is placed, there is an authorization period I have to go through so the state police ensure I am a person who should have this information. I don't know if just anyone can do a check. It took me over 10 days to get the information. I guess they did a background check on me too:) I can't tell you how many times I have "eaten crow" when someone has lied to me about a possible criminal background only for them to commit, yet again. Quite frankly, in dealing with the thousands of people I have dealt with, I don't trust anyone anymore. It is sad because I was always one to give the benefit of the doubt upfront. That idealism has burnt me too many times and I felt like I wasn't teaching my kids good decision making through my experiences. You have to understand that, as a person without a record and has never committed a crime, I believe the choice to act is yours and if you do......take the consequences that come from it. If you know you will live out a life of hell and embarassment, then don't do it (easier said than done in some cases, I know). I know there are gray areas like orolan's but that isn't the majority.....it is a very very slim minority.
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Message 121211 (In Reply to Message 121205)
I agree
Posted by myoung
on Nov 07, 2003 02:31 PM | Also by myoung
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but why double the trouble.....let us know about the known perps
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120498, admin, Oct 26, 2003 01:00 AM [Introduction]
120577, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 06:50 PM [yet another example]
120648, Silverthorne, Oct 29, 2003 04:21 AM
120695, PVulcan, Oct 29, 2003 11:13 PM
120715, myoung, Oct 30, 2003 04:43 AM [how does this help me here?]
120719, Silverthorne, Oct 30, 2003 08:12 AM
120830, myoung, Nov 01, 2003 04:43 AM [silver]
120833, lj, Nov 01, 2003 05:20 AM [Politicians use public uproar to pa...]
121094, exoffender1, Nov 06, 2003 04:04 AM [Registries are not useful enough to jus...]
121102, steve, Nov 06, 2003 05:23 AM [Pennslyvania does have online registry]
121209, myoung, Nov 07, 2003 02:16 PM [yes....but]
121210, myoung, Nov 07, 2003 02:30 PM [have you read any.....]
120578, Rejected
121205, poetsdreamscape, Nov 07, 2003 07:07 AM [what you don't know]
121211, myoung, Nov 07, 2003 02:31 PM [I agree]
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