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Thread (Discussion): Police step up efforts to keep tabs on sex offenders
Message 173371
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on Feb 18, 2006 09:28 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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10 Feb 2006
Police step up efforts to keep tabs on sex offenders
http://www.willistonpioneer.com/articles/2006/02/10/news/news03.txt
By Mike Bowdoin
The Chiefland Police Department started its new sex offender program this week, promising to check the registered addresses of local sex offenders more frequently and keep the public better informed of their presence in the community.
Before fanning out in teams on Monday morning to pass out flyers at schools and day cares in the city, officers launched the program at a press conference at Chiefland City Hall that announced it as the beginning of a cooperative effort by Levy County's law enforcement agencies.
Levy County Sheriff Johnny Smith and police chiefs from Williston and Inglis joined Chiefland Police Chief Robert Douglas in announcing the program, in which officers will check the addresses of registered sex offenders at least once a month to make sure they are in compliance with the law. Current state law mandates only that a sex offender has to register their address with the sheriff's office when they move to a new residence.
Another law enforcement agency deciding to jump on the bandwagon of doing monthly "address verification" checks of sex offenders. I would like to know where they are getting all this money from for this. Are they getting some Homeland Security (Gestapo) grant?
--Navigatr1
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Message 173393 (In Reply to Message 173371)
Posted by june5
on Feb 19, 2006 02:47 AM | Also by june5
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Dp1 or other law enforcement--does anybody know what will happen if the SO just refuses to open his door? It seems to me that a person can't be forced to open a door to the cops, but then again, I always thought ex post facto laws were unconstitutional before the registry.... If I were an SO, I wouldn't open the door! What can they do?
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Message 173451 (In Reply to Message 173393)
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Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Feb 19, 2006 10:37 PM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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You don't have to open the door for the police at all. This is just a way for them to create a way to show people that they are doing something. If you are on parole/probation then yes you have to open your door to your PO and no one else. If you are not in the system you dont have to open your door to anyone. In fact I would lok out the blinds wave hello and let them stand out there Ot talk to them with the door closed.
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Message 173480 (In Reply to Message 173451)
poetsdreamscape
Posted by rodsmith
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i'm in florida i would inform them through the door that unless they had a warrant for my arrest they are on my property illegally...and next time it happend i would treat they like i wouild any other armed tresspasser.....
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Message 173502 (In Reply to Message 173371)
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It is good they are keeping track of the SO's but many are now travelling to other countries such as thailand to hunt for children. The sad part is many parents there sell their children to SO's for money. I do not believe it is good to say as long as they are hunting somewhere else is good as long as it isnt in our country. My belief is that all children have the right to grow up without being used for someones sickening pleasure or for someones financial gain. How can parents sell their children to these PO's? A friend told me about this and I did some research on the internet about the sex trade of children in foreign countries and it just sickens me that this is allowed to occur daily and the thailand government and police dont crack down on it. It seems that thailand is becoming well known as a sex trade country and it seems that anything can be bought there for a price even their own children.
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Message 173524 (In Reply to Message 173502)
Posted by june5
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Geez, we can't even kick 'em out of the country because they will go to Thailand to find more victims. Not everyone on the list is a child molester. In my state, 30% are on the list for offenses against children.
Although based on the information you have provided, it sounds like a registry in Thailand wouldn't work. Looks like those parents are the problem! Makes me wonder what parents here in the US are using the list to find perverts to sell their children to.
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Message 173529 (In Reply to Message 173502)
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show me where the info is that rso are traveling to thailand for sex with children? That is the most blantant lie ever. In fact most of the men that go to foriegn countries to have sex with children are more then likely not a rso and probably a married business person that has a husband /wife and kids at home . To assert a RSO can afford to go to thailand for sex is just plain out stupid by those who believe such . Just look at the problems they have here with no jobs or a place to live but yet are suppose to buy a plane ticket?
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Message 173548 (In Reply to Message 173393)
Posted by dp1
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The police have a requirement to verify residence. I suppose the manner in which they verify differs from each jurisdiction. If the RSO doesn't open the door the cop will probably come back another time. No doubt if he continues to not open the door or acknowledge the cop he will certainly be grabbing the cop's interest. This excersize is self defeating. Eventually, if there's no way to verify his address the cop will probably get a warrant for his arrest. Once in jail the offender will have to prove he didn't move. I just don't think testing the system to the point of sitting in jail just because you hate cops or opening your front door is worth it in the end. Just open the friggin door, step outside and say hello. It's a no brainer.
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Message 173550 (In Reply to Message 173548)
dp1
Posted by rodsmith
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the only ones who need a brain are the police...last time i looked at the law is said i was required to report in person twice a year...anything other than that is extra and outside the law....if there is something else written in there i missed show me!
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Message 173558 (In Reply to Message 173548)
Posted by Navigatr1
on Feb 21, 2006 01:29 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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I hear what you are saying about opening the door for the cops; however, there is no law that states they must verifiy the addresses of registered sex offenders. Nor is there a law that states a registered sex offender must open the door for law enforcement each time they feel the need to verify an address. If a cop feels they must veryify an address, they can get a search warrant. There are other ways to verify an address than a face to face verification. They can ask neighbors who I am sure are aware of where the sex offender lives because of the registries and they were notified by law enforcement too. They can also ask family or house mates of the registered sex offender for indirect verification of the address.
If a registered sex offender is arrested for failure to register because they refused to open the door for law enforcement, it is up to the cop to prove that the sex offender didn't live at that address. The registered sex offender doesn't have to prove anything even though that it the position they are put in. The cop has to prove that he used every reasonable means to verify the address, which include indirect verification if the registered sex offender wasn't home or refuses to answer the door. Just coming to the door a few times without the registered sex offender answering is not enough to prove that he wasn't living there.
I thought registries were supposed to be a regulatory scheme. If it is a regulatory scheme, then why is it necessary for law enforcement to verify addresses? I guess we need the cops to waste limited resources verifying addresses of all regulatory schemes such as drivers licenses, fishing licenses, hunting licenses, and car registration. How would you feel if the cops came around monthly to verify the address you put down on your drivers license to make sure that you hadn't moved? In most states, they extended the periods for renewing a driviers license to save money rather than yearly renewals. So I guess it would be necessary for law enforcement to go around verifying addresses monthly to make sure that you hadn't moved during that 4 or 5 year period or whatever period the state requires for renewal of driver licenses.
--Navigatr1
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Message 173564 (In Reply to Message 173548)
Posted by Valerie
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Dp1 I got a huge kick out of this thread, offenders, offenders wives are crying and moaning about their rights, open the door dont open the door, its no wonder why a some are in the position they are in. Bad judgement just trickles down doesnt it? What I would like to know is if some of these people are so adamant about their rights, their privacy etc..why didnt some give more thought to their crimes in the first place? I mean it sounds like the offenders are spending alot of time pondering our to screw the system once they are in it, I just wish they would have given the same amount of time they do in these threads prior to commiting the crime. You know what they say, the ignorant will be with us always.
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Message 173569 (In Reply to Message 173564)
Val
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You got that right. It's hilarious how they draw negative attention to themselves. Jail therapy works wonders for attitude adjustments. GPS monitoring can help as well.
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Message 173570 (In Reply to Message 173564)
valerie
Posted by rodsmith
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"You know what they say, the ignorant will be with us always."...it takes one to know one valerie"
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Message 173574 (In Reply to Message 173564)
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why didnt some give more thought to their crimes in the first place?
How much thought did you give your crime before you committed it?
the ignorant will be with us always.
Unfortunately so. But hey, it wouldn't be the same without you:-))
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Message 173584 (In Reply to Message 173371)
Good ol' hindsight
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This could be a stab in the dark, but is it possible that SO's didn't "think of this" before they committed their crimes because this was not the law before they committed their crime?! I don't think any SO's who offended before this goes into effect could have taken into consideration that they might be checked on once a month before deciding to offend when this program (or is it "pogrom", lol) didn't exist at the time! I guess the same could be said for those who are complaining about being on the registry who committed their crimes before the registry was in existence.
As far as anybody "crying" on this thread, somehow I don't picture RodSmith or Orolan dripping tears onto their keyboards as they post here. I know I'm not! I know I have been through too much in my life to be crying over something like this.
Val, you are entitled to your opinion about SO's being checked on. Why are SO wives lumped in? I didn't marry an SO, but I did find myself married to one several years later. Is it because I didn't get a divorce? That means I have it coming to me? Maybe they should come lock me up for FTD. They could make that a felony along with FTR.
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Message 173602 (In Reply to Message 173548)
dp1
Posted by poetsdreamscape
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I understand what your saying but the fact is that the police do not have a right to do sounless its written law. verification can be by letter if need be. Once out of the system you are under no obligation to tell the police of your where abouts period. fir instance I travel a whole lot and there fore I wouldnt be here should they come now if they arrest me because i wasnt here when they came over they have a problem because I can prove i live here by several documents that I have and they have nothing to prove that I dont which means that they falsely arrested me and violated my rights.
and to add further to some other comments yes rso should look for anyway possible to remove le from thier lives if they are not in the system and challenge anything that violates their rights. you see we didnt ask for the registry it was forced upon us by our actions so why would we comply with something we dont care about? I am free to travel when and where i want with out having to say anything to anyone for as long as I like so i dont see how that would be hampering anything. If the le wants to bring attention to us I encourage that also as that keeps us safer from the crazy's and makes them do there job of watching over offenders as people want them to do.Until a law ispassed that say I have to be there or I have to open my door they will be standing in the rain.
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Message 174561 (In Reply to Message 173584)
Posted by 1dadof5
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well said, june
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173371, Navigatr1, Feb 18, 2006 09:28 PM
173393, june5, Feb 19, 2006 02:47 AM
173451, poetsdreamscape, Feb 19, 2006 10:37 PM [no]
173480, rodsmith, Feb 20, 2006 05:19 AM [poetsdreamscape]
174790, Pending Further Review
173548, dp1, Feb 21, 2006 05:01 AM
173550, rodsmith, Feb 21, 2006 06:59 AM [dp1]
174793, Pending Further Review
173558, Navigatr1, Feb 21, 2006 01:29 PM
173564, Valerie, Feb 21, 2006 02:37 PM
173569, dp1, Feb 21, 2006 04:00 PM [Val]
173570, rodsmith, Feb 21, 2006 04:52 PM [valerie]
173574, orolan, Feb 21, 2006 05:12 PM
173602, poetsdreamscape, Feb 22, 2006 03:20 AM [dp1]
174794, Pending Further Review
174560, Rejected
173502, momof5, Feb 20, 2006 06:17 PM
173524, june5, Feb 21, 2006 12:14 AM
173529, poetsdreamscape, Feb 21, 2006 01:49 AM [mom]
173589, Rejected
173584, june5, Feb 21, 2006 07:31 PM [Good ol' hindsight]
174561, 1dadof5, Mar 24, 2006 05:16 AM
174691, Pending Further Review
173591, Rejected
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