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Thread (Discussion): Man Tells Police Why Sex Offender's Body Was Cut Up

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Message 159390


Posted by prozac on Aug 21, 2005 07:56 AM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
Man Tells Police Why Sex Offender's Body Was Cut Up
Mark Carlson Gives Utah Authorities Info On Grisly Crime

POSTED: 10:09 am MDT August 18, 2005

SALT LAKE CITY -- Mark Allen Carlson, arrested this week for questioning in the slaying and dismemberment of a convicted sex offender, said John Mayo was killed by another man because Mayo sexually abused children.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4867635/detail.html

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Message 159434 (In Reply to Message 159390)
Not vigilatism?


Posted by joy1234 on Aug 22, 2005 02:18 AM | Also by joy1234
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: New York, Country: United States
I love how the article says this was not vigilatisim, just people not liking the things he did in his past. They must have seen his face on the registery and decided he didn't deserve to live anymore. Now hows that for the registry is not meant for further punishment. I guess he got the ulimate punishment and for all the people who think this was a great thing, just remember as you are saying what a sick person he was for touching a child, how sick one has to be to kill and chop a body up and then do whatever they did with his head. I think we will see so much more of this type of NOT VIGILATISM as time goes on because I think lawmakers and the courts have given the impression that this is ok to do. Maybe in reality this is what they wanted, with all the hype and panic what else could they expect?

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Message 159459 (In Reply to Message 159390)


Posted by orolan on Aug 22, 2005 01:32 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
Surely they jest. Vigilante action against sex offenders is a myth.
(sarcasm)

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Message 159467 (In Reply to Message 159390)


Posted by artie on Aug 22, 2005 03:41 PM | Also by artie
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Florida, Country: United States
wow

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Message 159494 (In Reply to Message 159434)


Posted by steve on Aug 23, 2005 03:39 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States
It was definitely wrong to kill him and the murderer should be prosecuted just like any other murderer. I won't argue the semantics of whether the killer was a vigilante, but I want to point out that no details were shared in the article that pointed to the killer finding out about John Mayo's sex offender status from a sex offender registry.

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Message 159538 (In Reply to Message 159494)


Posted by orolan on Aug 23, 2005 03:50 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
Curious what your ideas are on just how they might have found out if it wasn't from the registry? Random background checks on people out of the phone book until a sex offender popped up?

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Message 159552 (In Reply to Message 159538)


Posted by steve on Aug 23, 2005 07:10 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States
Curious what your ideas are on just how they might have found out if it wasn't from the registry?


Carlson has a criminal record and he claims the murderer is in Federal custody. Maybe they knew John Mayo from prison. Maybe they had the same PO. Maybe he was a neighbor or acquaintance. Maybe someone else told them. Maybe John Mayo even told Carlson and the other guy about his conviction.

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Message 159554 (In Reply to Message 159552)


Posted by Renunciation on Aug 23, 2005 07:29 PM | Also by Renunciation
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: Bahrain
And MAYBE they got his name from the registry.

All of your maybes would make the news for the greater public good. Informing the public how we can protect ourselves is the self-proclaimed mission of the media.

They only maybe that would be squashed would be the maybe that they got the info from the registry, because it would not benefit the greater public good to inform the public that the registries are in danger because they were used to conspire and commit a crime.

Will someone decide to use public record to inflict severe pain and discomfort on the killers' families? Only time will tell us that.

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Message 159555 (In Reply to Message 159552)


Posted by prozac on Aug 23, 2005 07:31 PM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
All possible explanations, but you surely aren't suggesting that they would not kill him had they known he was listed since that would be harassment.

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Message 159565 (In Reply to Message 159552)


Posted by orolan on Aug 23, 2005 11:05 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
I think Carlson is lying his butt off, but that's irrelevant.
Valid possibilities, but no more or less probable or possible than the registry.

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Message 159573 (In Reply to Message 159554)


Posted by steve on Aug 24, 2005 12:15 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I was just addressing joy1234's post which claimed they must have found out about his status as an SO from the registry. I wasn't trying to bury evidence of an exceptional case where someone was killed because of something discovered on the registry. If that turns out to be the case, I'll flag it as an example of such.

For the record, I've posted in the past of a case where someone created a hit list from the sex offender registry. I also recall a past thread about an SO who was murdered, in which people assumed it was because he was on the registry, when his status as an SO wasn't even the reason (not surprisingly, if the risk of an SO being murdered mirrored that of the average US citizen, several dozen would be murdered each year regardless). I'll try to dig up both of the examples I am referring to later.

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Message 159574 (In Reply to Message 159555)


Posted by steve on Aug 24, 2005 12:18 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I'm not suggesting anything other than as reported there's nothing to point to the murderer and accomplice finding out about Mayo's status from the sex offender registry. I'm not even saying it's unlikely. It's just a little premature to use this case to back one's stance that the registry results in physical harm to SOs.

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Message 159575 (In Reply to Message 159565)


Posted by steve on Aug 24, 2005 12:18 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States
orolan, I agree with it being no more or less plausible. I think readers were reading too much into what I wrote. If everyone reads my original reply, I think they'll see that.

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Message 159577 (In Reply to Message 159573)


Posted by artie on Aug 24, 2005 12:46 AM | Also by artie
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Florida, Country: United States
Why not post names, adresses and where they work of the ones who scour RSO registries? Don't they harbor tendancies similar to these jaspers?

Prima Facie evidence

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Message 159578 (In Reply to Message 159575)


Posted by dp1 on Aug 24, 2005 12:54 AM | Also by dp1
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States
Puleeze. Mayo was a known cross dresser. It's no secret that certain gangs target these types. The fact that he was on the registry is a side issue. Many cross dressers, gender blenders, whatever you want to call them these days get harassed and they aren't on the registry......no surprise there. Assuming he was harassed because of the registry in lieu of assuming the obvious is far fetched at this point. The guy that's doing all the singing has a skin head. 'Nuff said.

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Message 159638 (In Reply to Message 159552)
Found in another article - they were "friends" with Mayo


Posted by steve on Aug 24, 2005 05:28 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I dug up a little nugget that makes it seem less likely that the murderer and accomplice found out about Mayo's status as a RSO from the sex offender registry.

From Details Emerge in Murder, Dismemberment Case (ksl.com, Jed Boal, August 17, 2005):

Carlson told investigators the killer and his friends used to hang out with Mayo at his house on Lake Street here in Salt Lake City.


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Message 159641 (In Reply to Message 159638)


Posted by Renunciation on Aug 24, 2005 06:07 PM | Also by Renunciation
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: Bahrain
Well now, that adds a new little twist to the story doesn't it?

Used to hang out eh? Hehehehe, yeah, everything is a bit clearer now.

This could be more of a case of stopping the victim from snitching about something than him being a SO after all.

Using the SO angle might get some sympathy from a jury, but killing a snitch to keep him quiet would get little points from the snitch crowd.

Hopefully this stays inthe news, I would like to see what comes out and how long it is before the other snitch gets capped.

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Message 159647 (In Reply to Message 159641)


Posted by steve on Aug 24, 2005 06:55 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
This could be more of a case of stopping the victim from snitching about something than him being a SO after all.


True. After all, Carlson was involved in the drug trade as mentioned in the article in my previous post and the one below.

From Public Enemy #1 Arrested (ksl.com, Jed Boal, August 16, 2005):

"Agents seized what may be methamphetamine and what they call evidence of a large narcotics operation. Police believe he belongs to a white supremacist group and his criminal history includes drug dealing, auto theft and forgery."

Using the SO angle might get some sympathy from a jury, but killing a snitch to keep him quiet would get little points from the snitch crowd.


Another good point. Like you said, hopefully the case will get more coverage and more info. will come to light.

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Message 159666 (In Reply to Message 159647)


Posted by prozac on Aug 24, 2005 11:46 PM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
So it could be very complex. It didn't make much sense for them to hang out with him if they hated his lifestyle so much, unless they were using him in some way. So does that mean they didn't really hate his criminal history or lifestyle? It will be one to watch.

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Message 159672 (In Reply to Message 159573)


Posted by steve on Aug 25, 2005 01:22 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
For the record, I've posted in the past of a case where someone created a hit list from the sex offender registry...I'll try to dig up both of the examples I am referring to later.


As promised, I located a few posts/threads about the case, which involved Lawrence Trant and took place in New Hampshire. Links to the posts (labeled with their thread title) appear below:

Man allegedly tried to kill sex offender
Harassment of SO

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Message 159673 (In Reply to Message 159573)


Posted by steve on Aug 25, 2005 01:31 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I also recall a past thread about an SO who was murdered, in which people assumed it was because he was on the registry, when his status as an SO wasn't even the reason (not surprisingly, if the risk of an SO being murdered mirrored that of the average US citizen, several dozen would be murdered each year regardless). I'll try to dig up both of the examples I am referring to later.


And as promised, here's that case - Raymond DeBack in Wisconsin.

[TheMilwaukeeChannel.com] Is Kenosha County homicide connected to victim's criminal past?

[Duluth News Tribune] Racine County man charged in shooting death of uncle

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Message 159682 (In Reply to Message 159459)


Posted by prozac on Aug 25, 2005 02:32 AM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
From a poll here asking how a vigilante should be punished for attacking SO (1033?).

No punishment. 159 (24%)

That got the most votes. Why are the 159 so silent?

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Message 159691 (In Reply to Message 159673)


Posted by joy1234 on Aug 25, 2005 05:00 AM | Also by joy1234
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: New York, Country: United States
My point was is that his crime happened in1990, so why now did they decided to be rid of him. I never thought about the drug thing which I might add makes alot of sense but either way they took advantage of timing with SO's being America's Most Unwanted. It was vigilantisim registry or not because he was killed because he was a SO. (Or that's their excuse)

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Message 159730 (In Reply to Message 159682)


Posted by steve on Aug 25, 2005 04:54 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
Poll 1022. - Poll 1022 - How should a vigilante convicted of a crime against a convicted sex offender be punished?

That poll is nearly 3 years old. At the time, there were no discussion threads associated with the polls, like there are now. I suspect only a small fraction of poll participants post a message even today, due to the requirement to register for a user account.

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Message 159746 (In Reply to Message 159730)


Posted by prozac on Aug 25, 2005 06:36 PM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
Thanks for the further info, though that implies members will be more honest about that if they are anonymous. Many of the comments to the articles themselves condone the murders. I have no idea what the details of the offense were so am not factoring that in.

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159390, prozac, Aug 21, 2005 07:56 AM
      159434, joy1234, Aug 22, 2005 02:18 AM [Not vigilatism?]
            159494, steve, Aug 23, 2005 03:39 AM
                  159538, orolan, Aug 23, 2005 03:50 PM
                        159552, steve, Aug 23, 2005 07:10 PM
                              159554, Renunciation, Aug 23, 2005 07:29 PM
                                    159573, steve, Aug 24, 2005 12:15 AM
                                          159577, artie, Aug 24, 2005 12:46 AM
                                          159672, steve, Aug 25, 2005 01:22 AM
                                          159673, steve, Aug 25, 2005 01:31 AM
                                                159691, joy1234, Aug 25, 2005 05:00 AM
                              159555, prozac, Aug 23, 2005 07:31 PM
                                    159574, steve, Aug 24, 2005 12:18 AM
                              159565, orolan, Aug 23, 2005 11:05 PM
                                    159575, steve, Aug 24, 2005 12:18 AM
                                          159578, dp1, Aug 24, 2005 12:54 AM
                              159638, steve, Aug 24, 2005 05:28 PM [Found in another article - they were...]
                                    159641, Renunciation, Aug 24, 2005 06:07 PM
                                          159647, steve, Aug 24, 2005 06:55 PM
                                                159666, prozac, Aug 24, 2005 11:46 PM
      159459, orolan, Aug 22, 2005 01:32 PM
            159682, prozac, Aug 25, 2005 02:32 AM
                  159730, steve, Aug 25, 2005 04:54 PM
                        159746, prozac, Aug 25, 2005 06:36 PM
      159467, artie, Aug 22, 2005 03:41 PM
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