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Thread (Discussion): Strange Artilcle
Message 140645
some thoughts on this please
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Oct 29, 2004 08:34 PM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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http://www.whittierdailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,207~12044~2481001,00.html
Trying to understand the purpose of this guys action.
Perversion of law violates sensibilities
IN a gross perversion of Megan's Law, a sex offender who calls himself Sam has launched a vendetta against the nation's children.
In a weird challenge to the law that requires child molesters to register with law enforcement and establishes a database to keep track of them, Sam has used that self-same database to gain the names of other creeps like him.
And he is using that information, which is meant to help families protect children, to recruit sex offenders, so he can build his own database.
Only that database would prey on innocent children. Sam wants sex offenders to collect intimate data about children living in their neighborhoods, including photos, which he would place on the Internet in a database that other sex offenders could access.
Sam has sent e-mails to state legislators to explain the act of depravity as just one way he plans to challenge Megan's Law.
But it is not a protest, so much as a sick exploitation of innocent children and a harrowing threat to their safety.
The state Attorney General's Office and FBI both are on the search for Sam.
While merely posting information on a Web site is not a crime, according to several district attorneys who prosecute sex offenders, Sam may have violated state law by preparing a database to be accessed by sex offenders.
And if he's not breaking any existing law, Sam's damning lurch into insanity has violated our sensibilities. Moreover, if there is no law now on the books prosecuting this type of crime, one needs to be written forthwith.
Megan's Law is named after Megan Kanka, a 7-year-old who was raped and murdered in 1994 by a twice-convicted child molester who lived across the street. It lets each state decide how to notify neighborhoods when a sex offender moves in.
An expansion of that law in California will put the names of 55,000 high-risk sex offenders on the Web by January, so that those names will be available to millions of homes, schools and libraries statewide rather than just accessible by police stations.
It won't be a moment too soon.
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Message 140648 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Oct 30, 2004 04:36 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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while im pretty sure its not against the law, it is very creepy. what is to be gained by such a website? I can only see that it serves to scare the community into never letting thier kids out of sight for a minute. It also serves as a potential victim list for the most predatory sex offenders to use. Nothing good can come of this
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Message 140650 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Posted by clarity5
on Oct 30, 2004 09:17 AM | Also by clarity5
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While merely posting information on a Web site is not a crime,
Since when? If someone post a nude picture of another person without a contract or some form of permission the poster can at least be sued. Why not just sue the pants off this guy, make it so he couldn't ven afford a computer to type on.
And if he's not breaking any existing law, Sam's damning lurch into insanity has violated our sensibilities. Moreover, if there is no law now on the books prosecuting this type of crime, one needs to be written forthwith.
Oh crap, this will take like 20 years. I know in another discussion i voted against putting an S.O.'s address on the net, however in this case i think putting his address up would be a good idea. Eventually someone (most likely the parents of the kids he's messing with) will go over there and change his mind for him. Or, since irony seems to be what he's going for anyway, one of the criminals he contacts might not quite get the joke, get his address and take him out for us.
He doesn't know what level of dangerous all these men are. He proberbly assumes their all giant immature bullies like him who like to attack children and those who cannot fight back. Some S.O.'s however do pick on people there own size (like grown men), a lot may have been in prison long enough to pick up some dangerous habits, oh and some SO's are in fact parents themselves.
I do hope the law hurry's up and steps in but i wouldn't be too worried other then that. The rest of the planet has enough good sense not to try to purposely hang out with and recruit criminals. Even criminals don't trust other criminals! So i'm pretty sure this guy will find his poetic justice yet.
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Message 140651 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Ploy to get rid of Megan's Law
Posted by lildrafire
on Oct 30, 2004 01:03 PM | Also by lildrafire
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Looks like this guy, the sex offender, not the article writer, is trying to do whatever it takes, delving into getting himself in a huge mess in the process, to prove to lawmakers his view that publicly viewed registries are more harmful than helpful. I wonder if there is any validity to what he is saying. I know that the registry has been used in some instances for identify theft and for sex offender bashing, but those instances don't seem to be widespread. Any sex offender dumb enough to "collect intimate data about children living in their neighborhoods, including photos, which he would place on the Internet in a database that other sex offenders could access" deserves whatever punishment lawmakers doled out. I can't imagine anyone being that stupid.
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Message 140652 (In Reply to Message 140651)
Welcome to Your Future
Posted by WMMBS
on Oct 30, 2004 05:41 PM | Also by WMMBS
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Dear Readers,
I should like to suggest that Sam is doing what many of us are trying to do.
In a bid to bring some sanity, to the closed-minded actions of the 'trick or treat' band of simpletons, supported by dp1 etc…. the fact that one thing leads to another.
The actions of your register (and ours, to a lesser extent,) leads to the suicide, killings and harassment of thousands of ex-offenders.
Sam is trying to let you know of what is to come - the USA is superb at creating time bombs, not learning from its 9-11/Iraq lessons, it continues down to the road to oblivion - and the UK follows.
Sam is saying to you "think again" - balance what is actually being achieved by the register, versus the very small reduction in sexual offences in the USA, and the infringement of basic human rights - for all.
Is Sam unbalanced or 'strange' ?
Absolutely not - he is saying ... "here is the future, if you continue to disenfranchise people who have paid their debt to humanity".
Your next, notorious serial killer (because you are the best country at creating them), is almost certainly sitting there, right now, in an dingy motel room, preparing for the American way of payback time ...
*****
Child rapist-killer did it for revenge:
[India News]: Jalandhar, Oct 30 : Migrants in this Punjab city can breathe easy after the arrest of a man suspected of killing 17 children in 10 months, many of whom he also raped.
Police say 52-year-old ex-army man Darbara Singh was targeting the children of migrants, mostly from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. His victims were mostly girls whom he killed after raping, police said. Six of his victims were boys.
The motive was to avenge the imprisonment he had to undergo for 10 years after the family of a migrant labourer filed a complaint against him over a decade ago, police say.
Singh was accused of sexually abusing children of migrant labourers after selling his army canteen quota liquor to such families. He was sentenced to 30 years in jail but was released Dec 2003 after 10 years of good conduct inside prison.
But his release spelt misery for innocent migrant families in the Doaba belt near Jalandhar as children went missing at regular intervals and were later found dead. Singh used to drown his victims in an irrigation canal near his village.
Jalandhar district police chief G.P.S. Bhullar said that the man was a "sexual pervert" who took to killing children to avenge his imprisonment.
He said that a computer graphic of the baby-killer was prepared recently and the police nabbed him near the sports industrial complex on the outskirts of Jalandhar city Friday after getting information that a person of that identity was roaming around.
After he was nabbed, a search revealed that he was carrying toffees in his bag to lure more children.
Giving his criminal background, police said he was involved in an incident of throwing a grenade at an army major and his family at Pathankot military station in 1975.
In a couple of cases, he left his victims in fields, presuming that they had died. At least six of his victims survived.
The brothers of one such victim who survived gave his description to the police following which police were able to nab him.
http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=39920
*****
Oh, and by-the-way, I am not Sam, but I applaud his actions.
Sometimes, principles cost personal freedom and material loss, but few in your country (or ours) seem to appreciate that.
WM
MBS?
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Message 140654 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Posted by dp1
on Oct 30, 2004 07:32 PM | Also by dp1
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That's pretty sick. This perverted sex offender is sending a message and it ain't a good one. I hope they catch him and civilly commit him. His actions tell me he is advertising to the world through the internet that he can still get intimate with children regardless of Megan's Laws and is spreading his sickness to other deviants.
Can you say sociopath?
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Message 140657 (In Reply to Message 140654)
WOW
Posted by LostTime
on Oct 30, 2004 09:25 PM | Also by LostTime
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All I can add is that I certainly hope he left a big enough trail to find him QUICKLY. I'd start with the ISP. Someone got paid for his website and email access after all
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Message 140663 (In Reply to Message 140651)
Posted by fallenone
on Oct 31, 2004 10:21 PM | Also by fallenone
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I agree with the idea but not the method. Instead I'd have made records on all adults publicly accessible. This is indeed crossing the line
Fallen One
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Message 140667 (In Reply to Message 140663)
fallen
Posted by clarity5
on Oct 31, 2004 11:44 PM | Also by clarity5
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Instead I'd have made records on all adults publicly accessible.
Your thinking like someone who is actually trying to distroy or change Meagans law. This guy sounds like he's mad at the very fact that people had the nerve to penalize him from abusing children. That's the only reason why he wouldn't actually use Adults in this little project of his. Picking on adults ain't no fun, they might actually fight back with fist and lawsuits for gods sake.
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Message 140848 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Nov 08, 2004 01:33 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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OK this qualifies as a "sick idea" in my book. Still its completely legal.
If he wanted to beat up Megans Law (which I agree is overreaching) he should go after the records of ADULTS and post them on the internet.
He could start with the families of his state legislators. I'm sure some of them have records.
Silverthorne
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Message 140869 (In Reply to Message 140848)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 09, 2004 12:46 AM | Also by Valerie
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Who in the world would think this is Legal...they are minors, minors are protected under numerous laws and there is no way that could be legal......
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Message 140870 (In Reply to Message 140652)
WMMBS
Posted by dp1
on Nov 09, 2004 01:21 AM | Also by dp1
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The actions of your register (and ours, to a lesser extent,) leads to the suicide, killings and harassment of thousands of ex-offenders.
Thousands? Oh really? That's news to me. Funny I've worked with sex offenders since before the registries and haven't witnessed one casualty.
Please state your source.
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Message 140879 (In Reply to Message 140870)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 09, 2004 02:52 AM | Also by Valerie
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Loved that one......very good DP1
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Message 140891 (In Reply to Message 140645)
web address?
Posted by 1dadof5
on Nov 09, 2004 08:00 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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does anyone know the web address? he can be shut down very quickly just by getting his host to shut him down. If not, we can all participate in constant DOS attacks until he gets the message.
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Message 140906 (In Reply to Message 140879)
Val
Posted by dp1
on Nov 09, 2004 02:44 PM | Also by dp1
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Thanks. It's amazing what kind of BS is spewed on this website sometimes. I mean, don't you think the fact that someone would support this guy's actions and admit it in a public forum is shocking enough?
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Message 140916 (In Reply to Message 140891)
Dadof5
Posted by dp1
on Nov 09, 2004 08:27 PM | Also by dp1
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Can I post a cyber hug? I love your idea:-)
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Message 140918 (In Reply to Message 140906)
Shocking - you said it
Posted by WMMBS
on Nov 09, 2004 10:13 PM | Also by WMMBS
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Dear dp1,
Sorry for the delay, my posting only just surfaced.
Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/eadvocate/issues/commentary-deaths.html
http://www.geocities.com/eadvocate/issues/harm-society.html
http://www.geocities.com/eadvocate/issues/harm-prison.html
http://madbadorsad.org/sadbbs/viewforum.php?f=29
http://madbadorsad.org/sadbbs/viewforum.php?f=16
As for general harassment, many/(most?) SOs will not publicise or report it. They either accept it, or move ... that is where 'thousands' in the USA and UK comes from.
Now, could it be that you are just a 'small town expert'?
WM
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Message 140921 (In Reply to Message 140918)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 10, 2004 01:22 AM | Also by dp1
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Now, could it be that you are just a 'small town expert'?
Ah, but I'm not an expert at all. Thanks anyway for the compliment. However, I'm a highly trained BS detector, and I can smell it in each source you listed. That's old news buddy. Propaganda at it's best. People have been killing each other and themselves since the beginning of time. There is not one shred of evidence that sex offender laws cause death (for the perp that is). Get a grip. Before all the sex offender laws there were many more suicides and vigilantism attacks. Prison violence was at it's worst. If anything, violence has decreased.
Show me sources on violence against SO's BEFORE registries. Oops, you can't do that can you? It just might blow a hole in your theory. Show me how suicides have increased instead of decreased. You can't do that can you? Hmmm Too bad violence has decreased because the poor poor misunderstood pedo is just grasping for some shred of evidence to prove that RSO registries are bad for their health.
One thing for sure. Sex Offender's actions are bad for everyone else's health. There's plenty of evidence proving sexual abuse causes harm. This is why we need protection against them. If you can prove someday that registries cause SO's harm then get the word out and maybe they'll stop reoffending. What a concept, eh?
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Message 140923 (In Reply to Message 140918)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 10, 2004 03:17 AM | Also by Valerie
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You Know you have a perverted since of justice also....to relish in this guys actions, because you feel the overall effect of his revenge mirrors your idea of justice.....face it...your as wacked as Sam....too often people like to delve into some twisted tunnel of the minds of a sociopath and then refer to thier behavior as a natural progression of things to come..like see, see told you so....this is what will happen when people retaliate...well big shot guess what? People will crush wackos like Sam and if your not careful like you, just like a bug.....and the more headlines you drag up with instances of behavior like this the more human beings will retaliate but not in the direction your hoping for.....
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Message 140926 (In Reply to Message 140921)
Posted by steve
on Nov 10, 2004 04:18 AM | Also by steve
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People have been killing each other and themselves since the beginning of time. There is not one shred of evidence that sex offender laws cause death (for the perp that is). Get a grip. Before all the sex offender laws there were many more suicides and vigilantism attacks. Prison violence was at it's worst. If anything, violence has decreased.
Yep. Though I don't know if violence against convicted (or unconvicted) SOs has increased or decreased and if it has what of the large number of factors were the biggest reasons. I've never seen a study correlating violence against convicted SOs to community notification. I do want to note that with over 300,000 convicted SOs (it may even be over 400k) in the U.S. it's not suprising that some find themselves on the wrong end of a murder or assault. As I noted about a year ago in this post, my own city had a murder rate in 2002 of 37.8 per 100,000 residents. If 300,000 U.S. SOs were murdered at the same rate, about 114 per year would be murdered. I'll go out on a limb and say that convicts probably are more likely to be murdered (percentage wise) than those never convicted of a crime so unless convicted SOs buck that trend, it's likely that convicted SOs are more likely to be murdered than the average U.S. citizen, whatever that rate might be (someone can dig it up). I realize not every convicted SO who is murdered will get media coverage, be identified as an SO and be found by someone trying to collect such stories, but there's also no reason to assume a murdered SO was murdered *because* they were an SO.
In fact, if I remember right, there was a story posted here a few months ago about a convicted SO murdered (shot in the head, left in a vehicle) and some here jumped to the conclusion he was murdered b/c he was an SO, but I believe it was quickly discovered that wasn't why he was murdered. Does anyone recall the story? I'll be grateful to anyone who can dig up the article which was either discussed in the General forum or posted to the News Archive and discussed in In the News.
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Message 140934 (In Reply to Message 140926)
Steve
Posted by dp1
on Nov 10, 2004 05:58 AM | Also by dp1
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http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/102/15047/
I think this is the one. I don't recall discussion. Was it mentioned in the general forum in passing?
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Message 140942 (In Reply to Message 140645)
Great Networking Tool
Posted by Navigatr1
on Nov 10, 2004 02:36 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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While I don't condone what this guy has done, it was only a matter of time before the registry was used in such a way. Let's face it, the registry is also a great networking tool for offenders. I mean any offender -- not just sex offenders since some registries are not limited to sex offenders. Most registries list the offenders address which gives them a means of contacting each other. I mentioned in a previous thread that offenders could use the registries to contact each other, and it looks like it is happening.
Of coarse with the registries being used in this way, people will still argue that there is a need more than ever for the registries. They are in denial that the registries not doing any good, and are a failed social experiment. They will still cling on the false belief that the registries are beneficial.
--Navigatr1
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Message 140945 (In Reply to Message 140921)
Again - no sight of the whole picture
Posted by WMMBS
on Nov 10, 2004 04:35 PM | Also by WMMBS
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Dear Dp1, Steve, Valerie,
>Show me sources on violence against SO's BEFORE registries<
There are no such figures, because there were no 'SOR offenders' before registration - can you not see you own logical fallacy?
I am, of course, quite aware that there will always have been attacks on prisoners (SOs more so than others), there always be suicides, before, during and after incarceration - this is the logical outcome of an extreme penal system.
>Before all the sex offender laws there were many more suicides and vigilantism attacks. Prison violence was at it's worst. If anything, violence has decreased.<
I would love to see your stats. The answer to this, is, thank goodness - that is exactly how it should be, and it is my mission to make sure it continues, inside and outside prison.
You are, typically, failing to see the whole picture. Registration is just one aspect of the pariachal persecution of SOs - just one way for society to maintain its false sheen of protection - where little (if any) exists.
Indeed, as you know, recidivism is lower in SOs than anyone else - or it is not? .... in which case your SOR does not work - which one is it to be?
>Show me how suicides have increased instead of decreased.<
See my MBS? links - suicides of the fear of what is to come (including the SOR process) are confirmed in the UK - and that is only for images, let alone 'hands on'. I have done my best, so as to counsel the families left behind, in such case.
This is what I am dealing with, not just the Mickey-Mouse aspect you called 'child/adult protection', which is the SOR. To me, the SOR is a slightly odious, annual irrelevancy.
>One thing for sure. Sex Offender's actions are bad for everyone else's health.<
Sure in your mind - because, you are incapable of seeing where the damage is done - but that is another story
>There's plenty of evidence proving sexual abuse causes harm<
There's plenty of evidence proving sexual activity, later labelled as abuse, causes harm - - but that is another story
>This is why we need protection against them<
But you offer no protection, only notification - there lies your lacuna.
>If you can prove someday that registries cause SO's harm then get the word out and maybe they'll stop reoffending<
I hardly have to get the word out - and see above for my evidence and proof.
You actually believe that anything other but death can stop *any* ex-offender offending, if they decide to do so?
As for further evidence - See V's, response,
>People will crush wackos like Sam and if your not careful like you, just like a bug<
… it proves my point, perfectly (see, she likes the idea of death), once again.
WM
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Message 140951 (In Reply to Message 140942)
nav
Posted by 1dadof5
on Nov 11, 2004 03:24 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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I never thought about that. It makes a lot of sense, really. Before the registries, they had no way to contact each other. Now, they have the resourses to form groups which will make the worst offenders
empowered. They will have a support group of like-minded individuals which will give each other tips and support to commit thier crimes better and reduce the chances of getting caught.
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Message 140969 (In Reply to Message 140945)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 11, 2004 11:12 AM | Also by Valerie
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In Florida...they do sweeps I think about every 90 days..DP1 would know better than I...to make sure everyone is where they are suppose to be........during those sweeps..if the offender does not have restrictions to internet access...does not mean his computer is not subject to scrutiny either by the PO or the sweeps.....one of the conditions I believe that is imposed on all offenders is not to have contact with other offenders outside court imposed group sessions. It would be considered a violation......so if you have visions of offenders plotting and planning and fueling each other, think again. At least here...but then again DP1 could elaborate more than me...
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Message 140975 (In Reply to Message 140951)
I Love The Irony
Posted by Navigatr1
on Nov 11, 2004 03:10 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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I love the irony. A tool that was intended for people to empower themselves for supposed protection is being used by sex offenders as a networking tool. Bet they didn't think of that when they implemented the registries. Child porn rings probably like the registries too as they have a ready list of recruits. Police are inadvertantly contributing by using their limited resources to physically verify addresses every 90 days or so. So all a sex offender has to do is spend a 37 cent stamp to contact another sex offender on the registry, and have a reasonable chance that the address is valid and won't be returned as address unknown. Cops in most cases spent more than 37 cents to veryify the address when you consider gas and wages of the officer(s). As I said, it was only a matter of time before sex offenders used it as a networking tool.
I wonder if kidnappers, or career convicted criminals will be using the offender registries as networking tools too in planning crimes? It makes one wonder, and certainly is a possibility. Criminals aren't stupid. I still believe that the various offender registries are a failed social experiment, and the politicians need to wake up to that fact. Florida is leading the way in the utter stupidity of it all. And it's only a matter of time before the criminals wake up to that fact. Especially when you consider reoffense rates are greater for non-sex criminals.
--Navigatr1
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Message 140982 (In Reply to Message 140975)
True
Posted by dp1
on Nov 11, 2004 04:55 PM | Also by dp1
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I've always wondered why RSO's don't do a better job at networking. All the info is right there. Not one RSO is able to step up to the plate and get some support groups going? It's pitiful really. They have a beautiful opportunity to help themselves and the first opportunity someone has to network they go ahead and use it for deviant reasons. Reinforcement at it's best that sexual deviants can't be trusted, eh? God forbid one pervert stand up and say, "hey fellas, let's show them we can do the right stuff."
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Message 141018 (In Reply to Message 140982)
business opportunity
Posted by 1dadof5
on Nov 12, 2004 05:44 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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Now think about this. if some Sex offender wanted to make a bunch of money quickly. They start a childporn website run by sex offenders and send invitations to all registered sex offenders to join. They have a marketing list thats better than any ever devised by advertisers/marketers. A million bucks in a month!
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Message 141031 (In Reply to Message 140982)
actively discouraged
Posted by LostTime
on Nov 12, 2004 09:32 AM | Also by LostTime
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A few of the guys in my friends group tried to organize a supervised group where they could talk out issues, play some cards, order pizza etc a once a week type thing. A couple of agents even helped them get in touch with some higher ups to try and get some funding to start a non profit based on the idea. It was quickly put to death. Seems the idea of a bunch of sex offenders in the same room scared somebody higher in the food chain to death. If they wont allow a supervised group just think how they would react to an unsupervised group.
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Message 141040 (In Reply to Message 141018)
Posted by steve
on Nov 13, 2004 01:12 AM | Also by steve
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Now think about this. if some Sex offender wanted to make a bunch of money quickly. They start a childporn website run by sex offenders and send invitations to all registered sex offenders to join. They have a marketing list thats better than any ever devised by advertisers/marketers. A million bucks in a month!
Well, anyone could do that. It would probably work out well until everyone involved was busted. That reminds me - in an earlier post you or someone else mentioned that the registries (or more specifically, freely accessible online community notification) has allowed convicted SOs to network. That might be happening, but if so I'd attribute it more to the growth of the Internet, than online community notification. Without the Internet, finding and sharing those subject to community notification would be pretty difficult. Without online community notification convicted SOs would still be able to use the Internet to find each other and network.
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Message 141043 (In Reply to Message 141031)
steve
Posted by 1dadof5
on Nov 13, 2004 01:34 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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While its true that the registries need the internet to be viable, a sex offender doesnt have to troll through the internet & chat rooms hoping to find like minded people. The work is already done for them via the registries.
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Message 141050 (In Reply to Message 141031)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 13, 2004 02:15 AM | Also by dp1
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You're right. I forgot about that. We don't have that rule where I'm from. It just drives me nuts how sex offenders don't work together to help each other rehabilitate.What a waste of talent.
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Message 141053 (In Reply to Message 141050)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Nov 13, 2004 02:25 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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So true. Just think if they all used this valuable tool to help each other rather than using it to facilitate better ways to molest kids.
If they had a support group to help when they have bad urges. someone to talk them through and keep from committing a crime.
It would be such a great thing.
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Message 141063 (In Reply to Message 141053)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 13, 2004 05:14 AM | Also by dp1
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Yup. Kinda sorta like AA. I don't see why RSO's energies seem so unfocused. Or are they focusing on the wrong stuff? You know the whining, yada yada yada. Very counter-productive. I know there are some positive folks out there and that there's actually RSO's that don't fantasize about their next victim. I'd love to see them help others. The drug addicts and alcoholics help each other, what's up with the pedos?
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Message 141079 (In Reply to Message 140645)
help for rso
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Nov 13, 2004 05:20 PM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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I appreciate all the comments to this atricle. But some of the postings went on to talk about group suport for the rso and why there are no places like aa for rso. first let me say that the average RSO has low self esteem problems due to many reasons. More then likely it is a pyscological problem that they cant get past. But more so there are other stresses that would prevent them from joining such a group once they are released from the judicial system. Jobs that they cant get because of the stigma attached to rso, housing needs etc.DP1 does florida have a jobs database for RSO who are required to work ? When you cant get a job or a place to live I doubt that joining a group will be on your mind. I hear this talk about networking for support. Most sex offenders are happy to have been able to keep what jobs they have and are forced to lay low with out making any waves so I dont see how there can be much support in that area unless they are self employed and willing to give a job to another RSO. Its the same with housing. Cluster busting isnt going to help either .I would love to see a forum started to give ideas to rso on where to look for jobs , housing and other services that will encourage them to become self sustaining again.The 2 neccesties of life are housing and jobs with out them there is no hope. Are we creating a monster within a monster by suppression? As a volunteer with rso in therapy I always try to give them hope and help by trying to find housing and jobs for them but I can say from first hand knowledge it isnt easy
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Message 141087 (In Reply to Message 141079)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 13, 2004 07:08 PM | Also by dp1
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I would love to see a forum started to give ideas to rso on where to look for jobs , housing and other services that will encourage them to become self sustaining again.
I was under the impression that the Other Side Forum was supposed to focus on RSO issues. Why is it not being utilized in a more productive manner? I would love to share some real life experiences and success stories about RSOs and their endeavors regarding employment, housing, education, etc......
I always believed that RSOs can do a better job at networking and supporting each other. It's very very wrong to discourage SOs from interacting with each other. That's contrary to what group therapy is all about. If we make RSOs go to group therapy and tell them to rehabilitate together then why do we also tell them not to associate with each other? And who has the mental problems?
I think Steve has the right idea with his forums. Us folks that enjoy utilizing the forums need to make more of a concerted effort to focus on important issues that help others, victims as well as RSOs IMO.
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Message 141096 (In Reply to Message 140982)
no "good" network
Posted by LostTime
on Nov 14, 2004 12:38 AM | Also by LostTime
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An angle my friend pointed out to me is that the last thing a sex offender who wants to prove himself different form other sex offenders would do is join a group of those people he is trying to distance himself from. Also since most so's are forbidden from contact with other felons the and doing so would be a violation it only makes sense that the only such groups that would pop up would be groups of violators since the ones who are toeing the line would never start a group.
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Message 141099 (In Reply to Message 141096)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 14, 2004 01:47 AM | Also by dp1
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I can understand that mentality for folks with restrictions regarding contact with other felons. Not all states have that, thank goodness. I think that started back in the 1800's.lol
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Message 141100 (In Reply to Message 141043)
Posted by steve
on Nov 14, 2004 01:53 AM | Also by steve
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While its true that the registries need the internet to be viable, a sex offender doesnt have to troll through the internet & chat rooms hoping to find like minded people. The work is already done for them via the registries.
True. My main point was that if registered sex offenders' information wasn't made public online, convicted sex offenders could still establish sites, mailing lists and chat groups online and SOs interested in finding such groups (regardless of their purpose) could do so. Spending 75 cents a pop to mail 300,000 convicted SOs would spread the word faster, but that's certainly not necessary.
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Message 141131 (In Reply to Message 141087)
Thank you dp1
Posted by WMMBS
on Nov 14, 2004 12:54 PM | Also by WMMBS
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Dear dp1,
A very constructive comment - thank you.
This is an extract of the 'accepted contract', before embarking on a 'Core' SOTP in the UK ...
"I agree not to meet with other group members socially outside of the group sessions without the knowledge and agreement of my case manager and the group leaders."
Now, although it may seem reasonable to 'ask permission', that would, almost certainly, guarantee covert operations by the LEAs and possible revoking of license etc.
Not a route, an already shakey SO, wants to travel - in any form.
Indeed, any communications between SOs is seriously frowned upon.
Also, sexual offences are almost always lone affairs ... no rings, or satanic groups, just individuals - it is very often the case, that SOs have very little in common, outside their sexuality (which can be very specific).
WM
MBS?
www.madbadorsad.org
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Message 141157 (In Reply to Message 141131)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 14, 2004 11:32 PM | Also by dp1
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Thanks WMMBS. Do you happen to know the history on why it's frowned upon to associate with other RSOs? Is it just because of the old fashioned rule about associating with felons or is there something else that causes the fear? Maybe NAMBLA scares the hell out of people? Other then porn rings and NAMBLA how else do pedophiles and RSO's network?
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Message 141168 (In Reply to Message 140921)
Posted by exoffender1
on Nov 15, 2004 05:22 AM | Also by exoffender1
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State: Georgia,
Country: United States |
Anyone else see the great irony in dp1 speaking of BS and propaganda? I've only just now stopped laughing. dp1, your attempts to paint a pretty picture of the Registration abomination are more comical than pathetic.
There is not one shred of evidence that sex offender laws cause death (for the perp that is).
You are wrong. And don't ask me to provide you with the facts. You can EASILY find them yourself. You are the type of person who stares facts in the face and denies them so I won't bother with it. Regardless, I am entitled to as much unsubstantiated propaganda BS as you anyway.
Before all the sex offender laws there were many more suicides and vigilantism attacks. Prison violence was at it's worst. If anything, violence has decreased.
This is not at all relevant to the issue of whether or not FSORs cause an increase or decrease in suicides and vigilante attacks. I think even you can realize why that is so I won't bother to explain. There are many factors that have affected this.
Show me sources on violence against SO's BEFORE registries. … Show me how suicides have increased instead of decreased.
Before the FSORs existed you Hate Mongers couldn't harass former offenders because the government didn't conveniently provide a list of targets for you. Your hysterical insanity wasn't stoked to the current unthinking, unreasoning level either. There is ZERO doubt that there was less harassment and vigilantism prior to the FSORs. ZERO.
And instead of me stating that you have no shred of common sense whatsoever, let me ask you a question. There are many factors that affect whether a person commits suicide or not. Is being listed on an FSOR a factor that makes a suicide more likely or less? The answer is obvious to a child. The only arguable point is to what degree. So even though suicides by FSOs may have indeed gone down since FSORs were created, you obviously cannot point to that and say that FSORs have not caused a higher suicide rate that what would exist were they not in existence.
If you can prove someday that registries cause SO's harm ....
Are you serious? I haven't been reading this board much over the last 6 months or so and I'm really wondering just how far you have slipped down the slope.
A moron could prove as much. I think I could prove that they have also greatly harmed society.
The Registry has certainly harmed me, my family, and my children. And even though I have structured my life in such a way as to nearly completely nullify the Registry, just last week I had to deal with new harm inflicted on one of my children. She is not even a teenager. The harm inflicted was very ugly and the effects they got back were ten times as bad. They will end up paying dearly for it. Good for society, huh? This is happening after nearly a decade since the event that got me listed on an FSOR.
Society has never received a benefit from Registering me but not a week has gone by when they haven't received some damage from it. Not a good return on investment.
If you can prove someday that registries cause SO's harm then get the word out and maybe they'll stop reoffending. What a concept, eh?
As much as you and your kind like the fact that Registration is punishment, work to add to it every day, and do the same with all its tag-along laws, it is still relatively little punishment compared to losing one's freedom, etc. The threat of its harm will never reduce crime. And it won't reduce reoffending.
Having said all this, I personally don't believe that murder and suicides of Registrants is rampant and at a completely unacceptable level (harassment and vigilantism is). If it were, we surely would not allow these Registry abominations to exist, would we? I know my answer to that but I'm not sure how the Hate Mongers would answer. I sense real evil in many of them.
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Message 141186 (In Reply to Message 141168)
Posted by dp1
on Nov 16, 2004 01:09 AM | Also by dp1
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Geez Louise Ex. Your post did nothing to further the cause for RSOs.
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140645, poetsdreamscape, Oct 29, 2004 08:34 PM [some thoughts on this please]
140648, 1dadof5, Oct 30, 2004 04:36 AM
140650, clarity5, Oct 30, 2004 09:17 AM
140651, lildrafire, Oct 30, 2004 01:03 PM [Ploy to get rid of Megan's Law]
140652, WMMBS, Oct 30, 2004 05:41 PM [Welcome to Your Future]
140870, dp1, Nov 09, 2004 01:21 AM [WMMBS]
140879, Valerie, Nov 09, 2004 02:52 AM
140906, dp1, Nov 09, 2004 02:44 PM [Val]
140918, WMMBS, Nov 09, 2004 10:13 PM [Shocking - you said it]
140921, dp1, Nov 10, 2004 01:22 AM
140926, steve, Nov 10, 2004 04:18 AM
140934, dp1, Nov 10, 2004 05:58 AM [Steve]
140945, WMMBS, Nov 10, 2004 04:35 PM [Again - no sight of the wh...]
140969, Valerie, Nov 11, 2004 11:12 AM
141168, exoffender1, Nov 15, 2004 05:22 AM
141186, dp1, Nov 16, 2004 01:09 AM
140923, Valerie, Nov 10, 2004 03:17 AM
140663, fallenone, Oct 31, 2004 10:21 PM
140667, clarity5, Oct 31, 2004 11:44 PM [fallen]
140654, dp1, Oct 30, 2004 07:32 PM
140657, LostTime, Oct 30, 2004 09:25 PM [WOW]
140848, Silverthorne, Nov 08, 2004 01:33 AM
140869, Valerie, Nov 09, 2004 12:46 AM
140891, 1dadof5, Nov 09, 2004 08:00 AM [web address?]
140916, dp1, Nov 09, 2004 08:27 PM [Dadof5]
140942, Navigatr1, Nov 10, 2004 02:36 PM [Great Networking Tool]
140951, 1dadof5, Nov 11, 2004 03:24 AM [nav]
140975, Navigatr1, Nov 11, 2004 03:10 PM [I Love The Irony]
140982, dp1, Nov 11, 2004 04:55 PM [True]
141018, 1dadof5, Nov 12, 2004 05:44 AM [business opportunity]
141040, steve, Nov 13, 2004 01:12 AM
141031, LostTime, Nov 12, 2004 09:32 AM [actively discouraged]
141043, 1dadof5, Nov 13, 2004 01:34 AM [steve]
141100, steve, Nov 14, 2004 01:53 AM
141050, dp1, Nov 13, 2004 02:15 AM
141053, 1dadof5, Nov 13, 2004 02:25 AM
141063, dp1, Nov 13, 2004 05:14 AM
141096, LostTime, Nov 14, 2004 12:38 AM [no "good" network]
141099, dp1, Nov 14, 2004 01:47 AM
141079, poetsdreamscape, Nov 13, 2004 05:20 PM [help for rso]
141087, dp1, Nov 13, 2004 07:08 PM
141131, WMMBS, Nov 14, 2004 12:54 PM [Thank you dp1]
141157, dp1, Nov 14, 2004 11:32 PM
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