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Thread (Discussion): Orolan's Story

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Message 120150 (In Reply to Message 120118)
Orolan's Polygraph Reply


Posted by dp1 on Oct 20, 2003 03:26 AM | Also by dp1
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States
Orolan,
You mentioned that you've been trying to discredit the polygraph for years, why? That's what I don't get. We all know it's not 100% that's not the point. It's just a tool. I don't see anything wrong with questioning a convicted sex offender about things specific to his/her probation, contact with children, drugs, etc....Some things we need physical proof and others we don't for revocation.

Failing to complete treatment in a specified amount of time or before the end of probation is grounds for revocation. The failed polygraph in of itself is not grounds to be terminated from treatment (here where I am) however, it is reason for the therapist to continue you in treatment and in effect not let you graduate successfully from the program. So from that standpoint you are correct as far as "the process is flawed". However, for someone to go almost to the very end of therapy and flunk a poly all of a sudden....well let's just say that would be rare, but it can happen. I don't know how to respond to that since I am working a case sorta like that right now and trying like hell to eliminate the flaws (or to prove that he is guilty of something). The only difference in this case I'm working is that when I did the search I found pornography and pictures of him having contact with a child. Yes he was violated, but the point is, I wasn't hoping to find just porn and pictures since his poly indicated that he was up to much much more. I'll always suspect that he's up to something because I can't prove it one way or another, and I have good reason to doubt his word now because I did find the porn that he previously said he didn't have. I asked the Judge to let him back on probation with GPS monitoring (they thought I was nuts) because I didn't believe that the porn in of itself (soft legal porn) was relevant to his deviant behavior.

So this is the only case I ever had where I actually believed that maybe the test was not valid. I went out to prove the validity and proved myself wrong. We weren't able to prove all the things that were revealed in the poly but enough to revoke him. Is it still possible that the test on him was not valid? Sure. But as long as I keep finding violations on him what does it matter? The answer I think would be for him to stop doing things which cause him to violate his probation. Isn't that the point?

I actually was hoping that he was squeaky clean. I wanted to believe that he was telling the truth. I am working real close with him hoping that maybe he will eventually pass a poly and progress. I haven't seen any sex offenders who continually flunk polys and are squeaky clean. It just hasn't happened in the 15 years I've worked with them. I guess it's possible somewhere or somehow but it must be extremely rare.

I share your concern regarding the inherited power that the polygraph actually has over a sex offender on supervision. I tend to think that most Judges have the same concerns. I would be interested in knowing if there are actually any Judges out there that would lock up a sex offender and throw away the key just because of deception on a poly....I don't think you'll find too many if you actually had to the time to research it.
DP1



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Message 120118
polygraphs


Posted by orolan on Oct 19, 2003 07:59 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Thread


120017, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 12:41 PM [The Beginning]
      120028, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:56 PM [Orolan's Story - Whats wrong with the reg...]
            120045, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 03:17 AM [Do You Have A Chip on Your Shoulder?]
                  120047, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 03:56 AM [this is a very rare instance]
                        120121, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:19 PM
                              120146, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:19 AM [orolan]
                              120147, Rejected
                        120927, ccw5305, Nov 04, 2003 12:43 AM [I can see you know where I'm comeing ...]
                  120062, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:40 AM [But it is personal]
      120030, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:04 PM [Part Two]
            120063, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:45 AM [Sue them anyway]
                  120115, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:54 PM [False reporting]
      120031, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:14 PM [The Polygraph Test]
            120037, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:51 AM [Orolan's Lie]
                  120069, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:01 PM [Scam]
                        120076, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 06:19 PM [Polygraph]
                              120080, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:52 PM [Its true]
                                    120099, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:27 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120118, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:59 PM [polygraphs]
                                                120150, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 03:26 AM [Orolan's Polygraph Reply]
                                                      120195, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 04:02 PM [Question for DP1]
                                                            120206, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:21 PM [MYoung]
                                                                  120240, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 03:45 AM [thanks dp1]
                                                                  121145, katie, Nov 06, 2003 05:55 PM [question]
                                                                        121188, dp1, Nov 07, 2003 01:58 AM [Standard Sex Of...]
                                                                              122092, katie, Nov 21, 2003 05:38 PM [NO!]
                                                                                    122098, orolan, Nov 21, 2003 09:01 PM [New th...]
                                                                                          122109, steve, Nov 21, 2003 11:34 PM [I agree]
                                                      120220, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:06 AM [Reply to DP1]
                                                            120232, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [Poly]
                                                                  120265, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:50 PM [Dahmer]
                              120116, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
                                    120160, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:47 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                          120221, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:16 AM [Humor, and a question]
                                                120235, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:26 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                                      120269, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 05:09 PM [Cases]
                                                            120313, dp1, Oct 22, 2003 10:24 AM [Early Term from Probation]
                                                                  120325, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:35 PM [Early term]
                              120117, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
      120032, Rejected
      120036, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:39 AM [Courage to Reveal]
            120070, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:14 PM [Judgement]
                  120077, PVulcan, Oct 18, 2003 07:02 PM [Interesting Indeed]
                        120081, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:58 PM [Reply to PVulcan]
                              120096, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:14 AM
                              120100, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:50 PM [Everyone's Innocent?]
                                    120110, Silverthorne, Oct 19, 2003 05:35 PM [Why Im whining]
                                          120129, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 11:38 PM
                                                120178, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:08 PM [Lack of Rehabilitation?]
                                                      120226, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:34 AM [Rehabilitation]
                                                            120229, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 12:55 AM [Supervision Fees]
                                                                  120266, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:53 PM [Fees]
                                                120329, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Oct 22, 2003 08:30 PM [ Safe, Secur...]
                                                      120333, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 09:06 PM [costs]
                                                            120343, Silverthorne, Oct 23, 2003 03:06 AM [What a rip-off]
                                                                  120361, orolan, Oct 23, 2003 09:42 PM [Therapist]
                                          120179, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:16 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120212, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:10 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                                120222, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:23 AM [You answred them]
                                                      120236, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:36 AM
                                                120231, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [My two cents]
                                          121153, katie, Nov 06, 2003 06:16 PM
                                    120120, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:15 PM [We haven't heard from]
                                    120126, simon, Oct 19, 2003 09:08 PM
                                          120153, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:22 AM [Does Simon Have A Sense of Humor?]
                                          120174, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 06:06 AM
                                                120207, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:43 PM [Great Point But the Real Poi...]
                        120084, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:31 AM [To Vulcan]
                              120097, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:17 AM
                        120119, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:03 PM [PVulcan]
                              120143, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 01:53 AM [interesting still]
                                    120217, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:50 PM
      120043, steve, Oct 18, 2003 02:51 AM [Age of consent?]
            120122, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:26 PM [AOC]
                  120258, steve, Oct 21, 2003 03:42 PM
                        120263, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:44 PM
                              120305, steve, Oct 22, 2003 03:49 AM
                                    120326, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:42 PM [Simple mistakes]
      120102, yaesu, Oct 19, 2003 03:10 PM [Thanks for the story [nt]]
      120135, marta, Oct 20, 2003 12:29 AM [My opinion]
      120176, lj, Oct 20, 2003 08:56 AM [Question on your therapy]
            120215, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:42 PM
                  120223, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:25 AM [What happend here?]
                        120327, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:04 PM [Friend's problem]
      120253, HPierce, Oct 21, 2003 02:47 PM [Justice at it's worst]
            120328, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:23 PM [Right to speak frankly]
      120775, myoung, Oct 31, 2003 03:32 PM [I just don't get it]
            120795, orolan, Oct 31, 2003 07:38 PM
                  120826, lj, Nov 01, 2003 01:51 AM [Question?]
                        120842, orolan, Nov 01, 2003 03:11 PM
                              120897, dp1, Nov 03, 2003 05:21 AM [Get A Modification for Contact]
                                    120920, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:03 AM [Mind Reader]
                                          120928, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 12:49 AM [Contact With Orolan]
                                          123257, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 06:04 PM [Status Update]
                                                123270, orolan, Dec 17, 2003 09:42 PM [Looong update]
                                                      123272, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 11:02 PM [Out of State VOP]
                                                            123277, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 12:40 AM
                                                                  123279, dp1, Dec 18, 2003 01:08 AM [Orolan]
                                                                        123311, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 08:36 PM
                                                                              123341, dp1, Dec 19, 2003 05:29 AM [Orolan]
                              120902, lj, Nov 03, 2003 05:45 AM [Your paradigm of society]
                                    120921, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:11 AM
                                          120952, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:37 AM [I can relate!]
                                                120956, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 02:02 PM [New Board Post of the Year A...]
                                                      120969, lj, Nov 04, 2003 07:05 PM [Clarifying....]
                                                120964, Silverthorne, Nov 04, 2003 05:26 PM
                                                      120970, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 09:09 PM
                                                            120972, steve, Nov 04, 2003 09:23 PM [Post of the year]
                                                            120974, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:38 PM
      121202, poetsdreamscape, Nov 07, 2003 06:23 AM [what a story]
            121230, orolan, Nov 07, 2003 07:40 PM
                  121346, poetsdreamscape, Nov 09, 2003 05:20 AM
                        121354, orolan, Nov 09, 2003 02:57 PM
                              121427, Silverthorne, Nov 11, 2003 06:02 PM
                                    121435, orolan, Nov 11, 2003 07:02 PM
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