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Forum: General
Thread (Discussion): Orolan's Story
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Message 120117 (In Reply to Message 120076)
Posted by orolan
on Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM | Also by orolan
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 40 - 49,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
"So what you're saying is that in your state they could violate your probation on the poly results alone?"
Of course not. But a verbal admission to illegal conduct during the pre-test interview could be grounds for a revocation hearing.
"Your officer's failure to arrest you after the search and after the admission tells me he/she had no evidence."
No kidding! Your perception is remarkable.
"...told the truth but was accused of lying then your officer would have to run out and find the proof again"
If the examiner had scored "deception indicated" to my answer of "no" to the question "Have you had unsupervised contact with minors", nobody would have needed to run out and find some proof. The petition to revoke would be filed, and it would be up to me to find some way to prove my innocence. Which I have already pointed out is not possible.
"Once again, with no proof there would be no violation"
No proof is required, only the Probation Supervisor's testimony that the violation occurred. It falls on the probationer to provide some clear and compelling evidence that will carry greater weight than the testimony in order to overcome it. In my case, that would be the State Police report detailing the search and the lack of illicit materials.
"You were charged with sexualy battery"
Sure. I was charged with rape, too. Do you need a lesson in how these things work? Police arrest for as many charges as they can remotely connect to the incident at hand. Makes the statistics look good. Prosecutors present as many charges as they can to the Grand Jury for indictment. Once the indictments are handed back down, prosecutor moves on to trying to convict on as many charges as possible. But what went wrong here? Well, the prosecutor saw that he would be a total IDIOT if he tried to present the "arrest" charges to a Grand Jury, because there was NO evidence he could give them. So he presented the only crime he thought the evidence indicated had occurred. I plead guilty to that charge, because it was true. Go back and read the text of the indictment. No "lying" going on here, as you seem to think.
"You lied to your polygrapher and boast about not having the porn material you previously admitted to (obviously you could have had it but trashed it before your test)"
Since polygraphs are all about lying on the part of the examiner, I have no moral qualms about lying to the quack. And "trashing" the materials prior to the test wouldn't have worked, because the question wasn't "Did you used to have", it was "Do you have".
"Looks like you are on for sexual battery among other things."
Where do you keep getting that? Read the indictment again. I have never been indicted or gone to trial or entered a plea to sexual battery. I am not on the registry for sexual battery. I have never committed sexual battery. Get it through your thick head.
"Inticing a minor is far more serious than talking about sex don't you think?"
This is being discussed elsewhere on the board, so I see no need to elaborate further here.
"Why don't you post the comments from the victim and her parents "
I told you what was said already. The "victim" admitted to engaging in sexual activity while at my house and that I was aware of it. When pressed for "who" she did it with, she clammed up, refusing to answer. When asked how I knew about it, her response was "we talked about it". Really not a lot more than that. The parent's comments on the record are only to the affect that the girl had their permission to be at my house.
"I would also love to read the investigator's report"
It's a piece of work. Compressed, it says "Victim was at suspect's home, victim admits to sexual activity at suspect's home, suspect lives alone but did have two other minor children staying with him at the time, no indication of sexual activity with the other two minors, suspect denies any sexual activity with victim, suspect admits "talking" to victim about sexual activity, case is cleared with arrest.
"Am I wrong about you being on for Sexual Battery"
YES!!!!!!!
"I suspect the truth might be more like you found out the victim was having sex with your brother and you tried to get some action also"
Not a surprising comment from the likes of you. But I have no need for 14 year-olds when there are plenty of willing partners out there who are legal.
"What did you talk to her about? Safe sex?"
Yes. Now you're on to something here. You're starting to get it.
"Did you need some bootie action Orolan?"
Aw, shucks. You lost it again, just when you were on the right track. Why would I "need some bootie action" from a 14 year-old when I could pick up a 20 year-old in the club with no problem at all and not have to worry about the law?
Pretty much what I expected from you. Kind of wish I had you for a Probation Supervisor. I could have had a blast making your life miserable.
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Message 120076
Polygraph
Posted by dp1
on Oct 18, 2003 06:19 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Thread
120017, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 12:41 PM [The Beginning]
120028, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:56 PM [Orolan's Story - Whats wrong with the reg...]
120045, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 03:17 AM [Do You Have A Chip on Your Shoulder?]
120047, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 03:56 AM [this is a very rare instance]
120121, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:19 PM
120146, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:19 AM [orolan]
120147, Rejected
120927, ccw5305, Nov 04, 2003 12:43 AM [I can see you know where I'm comeing ...]
120062, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:40 AM [But it is personal]
120030, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:04 PM [Part Two]
120063, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:45 AM [Sue them anyway]
120115, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:54 PM [False reporting]
120031, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:14 PM [The Polygraph Test]
120037, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:51 AM [Orolan's Lie]
120069, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:01 PM [Scam]
120076, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 06:19 PM [Polygraph]
120080, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:52 PM [Its true]
120099, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:27 PM [Silver's Reply]
120118, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:59 PM [polygraphs]
120150, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 03:26 AM [Orolan's Polygraph Reply]
120195, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 04:02 PM [Question for DP1]
120206, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:21 PM [MYoung]
120240, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 03:45 AM [thanks dp1]
121145, katie, Nov 06, 2003 05:55 PM [question]
121188, dp1, Nov 07, 2003 01:58 AM [Standard Sex Of...]
122092, katie, Nov 21, 2003 05:38 PM [NO!]
122098, orolan, Nov 21, 2003 09:01 PM [New th...]
122109, steve, Nov 21, 2003 11:34 PM [I agree]
120220, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:06 AM [Reply to DP1]
120232, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [Poly]
120265, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:50 PM [Dahmer]
120116, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
120160, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:47 AM [Reply to Orolan]
120221, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:16 AM [Humor, and a question]
120235, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:26 AM [Reply to Orolan]
120269, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 05:09 PM [Cases]
120313, dp1, Oct 22, 2003 10:24 AM [Early Term from Probation]
120325, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:35 PM [Early term]
120117, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
120032, Rejected
120036, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:39 AM [Courage to Reveal]
120070, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:14 PM [Judgement]
120077, PVulcan, Oct 18, 2003 07:02 PM [Interesting Indeed]
120081, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:58 PM [Reply to PVulcan]
120096, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:14 AM
120100, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:50 PM [Everyone's Innocent?]
120110, Silverthorne, Oct 19, 2003 05:35 PM [Why Im whining]
120129, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 11:38 PM
120178, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:08 PM [Lack of Rehabilitation?]
120226, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:34 AM [Rehabilitation]
120229, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 12:55 AM [Supervision Fees]
120266, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:53 PM [Fees]
120329, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Oct 22, 2003 08:30 PM [ Safe, Secur...]
120333, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 09:06 PM [costs]
120343, Silverthorne, Oct 23, 2003 03:06 AM [What a rip-off]
120361, orolan, Oct 23, 2003 09:42 PM [Therapist]
120179, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:16 PM [Silver's Reply]
120212, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:10 PM [Silver's Reply]
120222, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:23 AM [You answred them]
120236, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:36 AM
120231, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [My two cents]
121153, katie, Nov 06, 2003 06:16 PM
120120, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:15 PM [We haven't heard from]
120126, simon, Oct 19, 2003 09:08 PM
120153, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:22 AM [Does Simon Have A Sense of Humor?]
120174, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 06:06 AM
120207, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:43 PM [Great Point But the Real Poi...]
120084, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:31 AM [To Vulcan]
120097, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:17 AM
120119, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:03 PM [PVulcan]
120143, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 01:53 AM [interesting still]
120217, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:50 PM
120043, steve, Oct 18, 2003 02:51 AM [Age of consent?]
120122, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:26 PM [AOC]
120258, steve, Oct 21, 2003 03:42 PM
120263, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:44 PM
120305, steve, Oct 22, 2003 03:49 AM
120326, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:42 PM [Simple mistakes]
120102, yaesu, Oct 19, 2003 03:10 PM [Thanks for the story [nt]]
120135, marta, Oct 20, 2003 12:29 AM [My opinion]
120176, lj, Oct 20, 2003 08:56 AM [Question on your therapy]
120215, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:42 PM
120223, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:25 AM [What happend here?]
120327, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:04 PM [Friend's problem]
120253, HPierce, Oct 21, 2003 02:47 PM [Justice at it's worst]
120328, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:23 PM [Right to speak frankly]
120775, myoung, Oct 31, 2003 03:32 PM [I just don't get it]
120795, orolan, Oct 31, 2003 07:38 PM
120826, lj, Nov 01, 2003 01:51 AM [Question?]
120842, orolan, Nov 01, 2003 03:11 PM
120897, dp1, Nov 03, 2003 05:21 AM [Get A Modification for Contact]
120920, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:03 AM [Mind Reader]
120928, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 12:49 AM [Contact With Orolan]
123257, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 06:04 PM [Status Update]
123270, orolan, Dec 17, 2003 09:42 PM [Looong update]
123272, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 11:02 PM [Out of State VOP]
123277, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 12:40 AM
123279, dp1, Dec 18, 2003 01:08 AM [Orolan]
123311, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 08:36 PM
123341, dp1, Dec 19, 2003 05:29 AM [Orolan]
120902, lj, Nov 03, 2003 05:45 AM [Your paradigm of society]
120921, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:11 AM
120952, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:37 AM [I can relate!]
120956, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 02:02 PM [New Board Post of the Year A...]
120969, lj, Nov 04, 2003 07:05 PM [Clarifying....]
120964, Silverthorne, Nov 04, 2003 05:26 PM
120970, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 09:09 PM
120972, steve, Nov 04, 2003 09:23 PM [Post of the year]
120974, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:38 PM
121202, poetsdreamscape, Nov 07, 2003 06:23 AM [what a story]
121230, orolan, Nov 07, 2003 07:40 PM
121346, poetsdreamscape, Nov 09, 2003 05:20 AM
121354, orolan, Nov 09, 2003 02:57 PM
121427, Silverthorne, Nov 11, 2003 06:02 PM
121435, orolan, Nov 11, 2003 07:02 PM
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