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Thread (Discussion): Orolan's Story

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Message 120069 (In Reply to Message 120037)
Scam


Posted by orolan on Oct 18, 2003 03:01 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States
DP1,
You misread the intent. No "truth" would have violated my probation, because there were and are no violations. A "false positive", wherein the truth is scored as a lie, could have caused numerous problems, including revocation. Rather than risk the false positive, we went on the offensive and forced a "false negative", wherein a lie is scored as the truth.
It was necessary to make "admissions" that COULD be proved as lies. For example, an admission to unsupervised contact can't be proved 100%, but by the same token, it can't be dis-proved. I'm sure you're aware of the "preponderance of the evidence" rule for revocation. In the above example, all the court would need is the Probation Supervisor's statement that I admitted to the contact, because his statement automatically carries more "weight" than my denial.
On the other hand, an admission to being in possession of illicit materials AT THE TIME OF THE TEST is easily refuted by the simple lack of said materials or any traces that said materials ever did exist. As was the case in my "scam". It worked, and it worked beautifully. A documented, proven case that the polygraph has no validity and polygraphers will "score" the test to suit their preconceived notions. While my actions did nothing to stop the state from continuing to order the tests, 3 of the 4 sex-offender therapists in my area no longer even bother to look at the test results.
Eventually, polygraphs will be outlawed for "screening" purposes. I have been fighting this fight longer than I've been a sex offender, and this just gave me an opportunity to further the cause.

BTW, the polygrapher and his professional associations refuse to comment on or acknowledge that this event ever occurred. And they say sex offenders have "denial" issues!

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Message 120037
Orolan's Lie


Posted by dp1 on Oct 18, 2003 01:51 AM | Also by dp1
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

Thread


120017, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 12:41 PM [The Beginning]
      120028, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:56 PM [Orolan's Story - Whats wrong with the reg...]
            120045, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 03:17 AM [Do You Have A Chip on Your Shoulder?]
                  120047, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 03:56 AM [this is a very rare instance]
                        120121, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:19 PM
                              120146, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:19 AM [orolan]
                              120147, Rejected
                        120927, ccw5305, Nov 04, 2003 12:43 AM [I can see you know where I'm comeing ...]
                  120062, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:40 AM [But it is personal]
      120030, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:04 PM [Part Two]
            120063, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:45 AM [Sue them anyway]
                  120115, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:54 PM [False reporting]
      120031, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:14 PM [The Polygraph Test]
            120037, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:51 AM [Orolan's Lie]
                  120069, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:01 PM [Scam]
                        120076, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 06:19 PM [Polygraph]
                              120080, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:52 PM [Its true]
                                    120099, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:27 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120118, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:59 PM [polygraphs]
                                                120150, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 03:26 AM [Orolan's Polygraph Reply]
                                                      120195, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 04:02 PM [Question for DP1]
                                                            120206, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:21 PM [MYoung]
                                                                  120240, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 03:45 AM [thanks dp1]
                                                                  121145, katie, Nov 06, 2003 05:55 PM [question]
                                                                        121188, dp1, Nov 07, 2003 01:58 AM [Standard Sex Of...]
                                                                              122092, katie, Nov 21, 2003 05:38 PM [NO!]
                                                                                    122098, orolan, Nov 21, 2003 09:01 PM [New th...]
                                                                                          122109, steve, Nov 21, 2003 11:34 PM [I agree]
                                                      120220, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:06 AM [Reply to DP1]
                                                            120232, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [Poly]
                                                                  120265, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:50 PM [Dahmer]
                              120116, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
                                    120160, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:47 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                          120221, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:16 AM [Humor, and a question]
                                                120235, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:26 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                                      120269, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 05:09 PM [Cases]
                                                            120313, dp1, Oct 22, 2003 10:24 AM [Early Term from Probation]
                                                                  120325, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:35 PM [Early term]
                              120117, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
      120032, Rejected
      120036, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:39 AM [Courage to Reveal]
            120070, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:14 PM [Judgement]
                  120077, PVulcan, Oct 18, 2003 07:02 PM [Interesting Indeed]
                        120081, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:58 PM [Reply to PVulcan]
                              120096, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:14 AM
                              120100, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:50 PM [Everyone's Innocent?]
                                    120110, Silverthorne, Oct 19, 2003 05:35 PM [Why Im whining]
                                          120129, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 11:38 PM
                                                120178, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:08 PM [Lack of Rehabilitation?]
                                                      120226, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:34 AM [Rehabilitation]
                                                            120229, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 12:55 AM [Supervision Fees]
                                                                  120266, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:53 PM [Fees]
                                                120329, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Oct 22, 2003 08:30 PM [ Safe, Secur...]
                                                      120333, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 09:06 PM [costs]
                                                            120343, Silverthorne, Oct 23, 2003 03:06 AM [What a rip-off]
                                                                  120361, orolan, Oct 23, 2003 09:42 PM [Therapist]
                                          120179, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:16 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120212, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:10 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                                120222, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:23 AM [You answred them]
                                                      120236, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:36 AM
                                                120231, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [My two cents]
                                          121153, katie, Nov 06, 2003 06:16 PM
                                    120120, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:15 PM [We haven't heard from]
                                    120126, simon, Oct 19, 2003 09:08 PM
                                          120153, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:22 AM [Does Simon Have A Sense of Humor?]
                                          120174, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 06:06 AM
                                                120207, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:43 PM [Great Point But the Real Poi...]
                        120084, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:31 AM [To Vulcan]
                              120097, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:17 AM
                        120119, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:03 PM [PVulcan]
                              120143, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 01:53 AM [interesting still]
                                    120217, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:50 PM
      120043, steve, Oct 18, 2003 02:51 AM [Age of consent?]
            120122, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:26 PM [AOC]
                  120258, steve, Oct 21, 2003 03:42 PM
                        120263, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:44 PM
                              120305, steve, Oct 22, 2003 03:49 AM
                                    120326, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:42 PM [Simple mistakes]
      120102, yaesu, Oct 19, 2003 03:10 PM [Thanks for the story [nt]]
      120135, marta, Oct 20, 2003 12:29 AM [My opinion]
      120176, lj, Oct 20, 2003 08:56 AM [Question on your therapy]
            120215, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:42 PM
                  120223, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:25 AM [What happend here?]
                        120327, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:04 PM [Friend's problem]
      120253, HPierce, Oct 21, 2003 02:47 PM [Justice at it's worst]
            120328, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:23 PM [Right to speak frankly]
      120775, myoung, Oct 31, 2003 03:32 PM [I just don't get it]
            120795, orolan, Oct 31, 2003 07:38 PM
                  120826, lj, Nov 01, 2003 01:51 AM [Question?]
                        120842, orolan, Nov 01, 2003 03:11 PM
                              120897, dp1, Nov 03, 2003 05:21 AM [Get A Modification for Contact]
                                    120920, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:03 AM [Mind Reader]
                                          120928, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 12:49 AM [Contact With Orolan]
                                          123257, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 06:04 PM [Status Update]
                                                123270, orolan, Dec 17, 2003 09:42 PM [Looong update]
                                                      123272, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 11:02 PM [Out of State VOP]
                                                            123277, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 12:40 AM
                                                                  123279, dp1, Dec 18, 2003 01:08 AM [Orolan]
                                                                        123311, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 08:36 PM
                                                                              123341, dp1, Dec 19, 2003 05:29 AM [Orolan]
                              120902, lj, Nov 03, 2003 05:45 AM [Your paradigm of society]
                                    120921, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:11 AM
                                          120952, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:37 AM [I can relate!]
                                                120956, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 02:02 PM [New Board Post of the Year A...]
                                                      120969, lj, Nov 04, 2003 07:05 PM [Clarifying....]
                                                120964, Silverthorne, Nov 04, 2003 05:26 PM
                                                      120970, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 09:09 PM
                                                            120972, steve, Nov 04, 2003 09:23 PM [Post of the year]
                                                            120974, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:38 PM
      121202, poetsdreamscape, Nov 07, 2003 06:23 AM [what a story]
            121230, orolan, Nov 07, 2003 07:40 PM
                  121346, poetsdreamscape, Nov 09, 2003 05:20 AM
                        121354, orolan, Nov 09, 2003 02:57 PM
                              121427, Silverthorne, Nov 11, 2003 06:02 PM
                                    121435, orolan, Nov 11, 2003 07:02 PM
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