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Message 120031 (In Reply to Message 120017)
The Polygraph Test

Posted by orolan on Oct 17, 2003 10:14 PM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

I took my first polygraph after being told that I needed to repeat therapy due to a VOP. I was not given an explanation as to why I didn’t have to do it the first time I was in therapy.
My attorney and I had numerous discussions about the upcoming polygraph, mainly brainstorming sessions on how to discredit the polygraph without incurring another VOP or a criminal charge. I was confident that I could “lie” and the examiner would not be able to “detect” it. It would all depend on what lies were told. We decided that I would make some “admissions” on the pre-test questionnaire that would be of interest to the examiner but would actually be falsehoods. I would then answer that these falsehoods were in fact the truth. We were quite confident that these admissions would result in some action by the Probation Supervisor, and would then be proven as falsehoods.
I admitted on the questionnaire that I possessed pornographic videos, magazines and digital photographs involving children. During the pre-test interview, we further narrowed this down to 7 videos, 11 magazines and an educated guess at 12,000 images. Naturally, the examiner had assured me that I needed to be “honest and forthright” in my admissions, and that “nothing will happen to you for telling the truth, only for lying”. And he also gave me the spiel about “Forget about trying to lie, the machine will KNOW you are lying. Note that I (truthfully) made no admissions to having any unauthorized contact with minors.
I was hooked up, and we went on with the test. I was asked “Other than what you have told me about, do you possess any illicit images of any kind involving minors?”. I was asked “Have you had any unauthorized contact with minors?”. I was asked “Other than what you have told me about, have you violated any laws or probation conditions?”. I was asked “Have you been completely truthful with me today?”. And I was asked “Have you been completely truthful in your therapy sessions?”.
I was asked these questions five different times, in different orders. After the third series the examiner left the room for five minutes, stating that he “forgot to do something”. When he returned, he ran the last two series. He then unhooked me, shook my hand and said “Congratulations. You passed and I’m glad you aren’t out there molesting children. You’re free to go now.” So I left.
When I got home (a 50-mile drive), there were two Probation Supervisors, 5 police officers and one State Police Investigator sitting in my yard and driveway. My Probation Supervisor told me they were there to search my house for illicit materials, because the polygraph examiner had called him and told him about my admissions and that I had “flat-lined” all five charts, indicating that I was telling the truth. The State Police Investigator expressed some reservations about searching my house without my consent, even though my Probation Supervisor had a statutory right to conduct a search without any warrant or consent. The Investigator asked that I sign a consent form, which I did after a quick call to my attorney.
The search lasted for over 5 hours. My attorney showed up after two hours, when I called to tell him they were still there. They completely trashed my house looking for the “illicit materials”. Clothes dumped out of drawers, furniture moved, rugs lifted, kitchen cabinets emptied, beds dismantled, etc. They crawled around under my house, they ransacked my storage shed, and they combed the front and back yards looking for signs of digging. While all this went on, the State Police Investigator concentrated on my two computers. My “usual” computer, a Windows machine, was no problem for him. He ran his ‘Encase’ software, and found nothing out of the ordinary. A few photos of children that were “canned” images that came with Microsoft Powerpoint, but nothing else. It was my other computer that gave him fits. It was an older machine, and I had installed Red Hat Linux 5.0 on it as a “test” machine so I could learn how to use that OS. The Investigator was totally lost, and wanted me to “help” him navigate through it. I asked him if he was the resident “computer expert” at the local State Police Barracks, and he said he was. So I told him to figure it out himself, since he was the expert. My attorney stood by me and told him the same thing, telling me at the same time to not even give the guy my login info. Needless to say, this caused a bit of anger in the Investigator, followed quickly by a dawning realization on his part(wrongly so) that this must be the computer with all the images on it.
By this time, the search was winding down. The Probation Supervisors and police officers had managed to find a copy of TeenCosmo left by one of my kids, and a copy of the movie Wild America, also left by my kids. Nothing remotely resembling the illicit materials I was supposed to have was ever found. The State Police Investigator took my Linux computer back to the Barracks with him and sent it on to the crime lab, since he never could figure out how to access the files. The crime lab returned the computer 8 months later, with a letter stating that there were no illicit files or traces of illicit files.
I was never charged with anything, by Probation or the police. When I explained the “reasoning” behind my actions and that it was a pre-planned setup, my Probation Supervisor became quite angry. But he could do nothing. I had complied fully with the terms of my probation, and no laws had been broken.
The following year, I was once again scheduled for a polygraph. This time, the examiner sent a letter to me and my Probation Supervisor declining to give me another polygraph. I was disappointed, because I had a whole new story about alien abduction and sex with underage aliens from a far-off galaxy that I wanted to “confess” to. Anyway, it was agreed that if my therapist would discharge me from therapy, I would not have to take the polygraph. So she did discharge me. Funny thing is, other probationers in my district who have been discharged from therapy are still taking annual polygraphs.
Polygraphs are a joke. If you tell the examiner what he wants or expects to hear, he’ll say you’re telling the truth. If you don’t admit to something relevant, you’re lying. I will concede that the “fear” of the polygraph may cause some sex offenders to think before they do something they shouldn’t do. As a deterrent, the polygraph has some validity. But as my case proved, it sucks at detecting truth or deception.

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Message 120017
The Beginning

Posted by orolan on Oct 17, 2003 12:41 PM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

I had seen this board in the past but I never took the time to read any posts, thinking it was simply a board for the “fringe” people who advocate the death penalty for all sex offenders, etc. A friend of mine told me it was not like that, so I recently began frequenting it. I jumped right in, offering my thoughts, opinions and knowledge where it suited. I realized along the way that nobody had ever asked me “why” I was even here, and I had never offered that information. I talked with Steve via email about it and he felt that I should go ahead and tell my story, feeling that it may be informative and helpful to somebody that reads it. After some thought, I concurred.

Some of you will be angry, some will not. Some will lash out in self-righteous “I knew it” posts, and others will not. Regardless, here it is. Please at least have the courtesy to read the whole thing before you post a response, if any.

Seven years ago my oldest daughter, then 12, came to stay with me for the summer. She brought along her best friend, along with the 14 year-old daughter of one of my older brother’s friends. Living with me at the time was my youngest brother, then 17. All three girls came from a state different than the one I live in. This is important later on in the story.

My brother and the 14 year-old eventually became quite “friendly”, to the point of having sex. When I found out, I sat them both down and discussed the situation quite frankly with them. I explained the perils of unprotected sex, made sure that she was not being coerced or pressured in any way, and then told them I did not want it occurring in my house while my child and her friend were there. I learned during this conversation that my brother was not her first sexual experience, which eased my mind somewhat.

The 14 year-old returned home after six weeks, and my daughter and her friend went home two weeks after that. If any further sexual activity occurred, it was without my knowledge.

Shortly after returning home, the 14 year-old went to the doctor for her first pelvic examination. Since she did not go to her pediatrician, this was a doctor who had never seen her before. This doctor noted evidence of her sexual activity, and saw fit to discuss it with the girl’s parents. Naturally they knew nothing about it, thinking that she was the little princess she had always been.

Well, they confronted her about it. She told them that she had sex while at my house. They asked her “with who?”, but she would not say. Then they asked if I knew about it, and she told them I did. The parents then called the police.

Two weeks later, I was arrested. I was charged with rape, aggravated child molestation, enticing a minor for immoral purposes, and transporting a minor across a state line for immoral purposes. And the Sheriff was trying to get the US Attorney to charge me with a Mann Act violation. Bond was set at $50,000. I was told later that the rationale behind all of this had been that if I knew about it, I must have been the person who did it.

I got out on bond 1 week later, and the following month a Grand Jury handed down an indictment on a single charge. The indictment read “Enticing a minor to commit illicit sexual acts with another; to whit, discussing said sexual acts in a frank and open manner with a minor not the indictee’s own child.” Turns out that the initial charges were brought at the request of the parents in an effort to boost the bond so high that I would not be able to make it. When it came time to present the case to the Grand Jury, the Prosecutor quickly determined that the charges would never stick. So she only presented the enticement charge.

I hired an attorney, and we began discussing our options. The girl would say no more than that I had talked with her about her sexual activity, in depth. She refused to name my brother as her sexual partner, and at the same time she was adamant that I had never so much as touched her in an inappropriate manner. The prosecutor had no idea that my brother had been living in my house, so she did not even attempt to charge him with a crime.

My attorney and I decided that a trial was not going to be the best route to take. It would require my daughter and her friend taking the stand, something I could not accept. It would also require exposing my brother to prosecution, because I would have to name him on the stand. And the final straw was that I was actually guilty of the indicted crime. I had indeed had a frank discussion about sex with a child who wasn’t my own. If I took the stand, I would have to admit the discussion or else risk perjury. I don’t lie, so that was not an option.

We went to the prosecutor and sought a deal. She offered a ten year probation sentence, with no sex offender status and a condition that I return to my home state to serve out my sentence. That of course was contingent on the home state accepting me, but since I had lived and worked in that state for over 12 years and my offense was a non-violent and non-contact offense, it was almost a sure thing.

The judge accepted the plea, and I was on my way. I returned home, and was contacted 3 months later by a local Probation Supervisor. He told me to come in and see him the next day, and I have been going to see him every month for the last 7 years. One important note here. My home state saw fit to provide me with a list of sex offender conditions, and placed me on its’ own sex offender registry. When I objected, citing the lack of such conditions by my sentencing judge, I was told “If you don’t like it, we can always refuse to continue supervising you. Then you would have to leave your home and job to go live in “x” where your conviction is.” So I have put up with it.

I did my court-ordered “therapy”, in which my psychologist decided that I had no place in her “group therapy” weekly meetings that the rest of the sex offenders went to. So we did our sessions one-on-one, once a month. I was discharged from therapy after 10 months. I went to see her for a second round of sessions two years later, but that was due to an event that will be told in another post. I have stayed in contact with her over the years, and drop in for a “session” about 4 times a year now(sometimes, you just need somebody to talk to). We have collaborated on several surveys of sex offenders in our community, because I have naturally become quite interested in sex offenders and what “makes them tick”. She was also the driving force behind my decision to seek a graduate degree.

Since the sex offender conditions prohibited me from being alone with minors, I went back to court to get an order from the sentencing judge that specifically allowed me to have full and unsupervised contact with my children, to the extent that they could even live with me if I so chose. The judge, knowing the history of my case, saw no problem with this arrangement, and my therapist supported it fully. My Probation Supervisor, on the other hand, was adamantly outspoken against it. He actually attended the hearing, and was chastised repeatedly by the judge for his mutterings and occasional outbursts. It was actually quite funny from where I was sitting. Thus I am the ONLY sex offender in my district who has teenage girls living with him, with court consent, that is.

So, there you have it. There is more to the story, as other things have happened in the last 7 years. But I will save those, feeding them in as the time is right.

I am a convicted sex offender. I am not a pedophile, nor am I a child molester. I am a human being. Hopefully those of you who are mature adults will understand. If you don’t, I’ll say a prayer for you.

Orolan

Thread

120017, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 12:41 PM [The Beginning]
      120028, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:56 PM [Orolan's Story - Whats wrong with the reg...]
            120045, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 03:17 AM [Do You Have A Chip on Your Shoulder?]
                  120047, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 03:56 AM [this is a very rare instance]
                        120121, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:19 PM
                              120146, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:19 AM [orolan]
                              120147, Rejected
                        120927, ccw5305, Nov 04, 2003 12:43 AM [I can see you know where I'm comeing ...]
                  120062, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:40 AM [But it is personal]
      120030, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:04 PM [Part Two]
            120063, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:45 AM [Sue them anyway]
                  120115, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:54 PM [False reporting]
      120031, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:14 PM [The Polygraph Test]
            120037, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:51 AM [Orolan's Lie]
                  120069, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:01 PM [Scam]
                        120076, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 06:19 PM [Polygraph]
                              120080, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:52 PM [Its true]
                                    120099, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:27 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120118, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:59 PM [polygraphs]
                                                120150, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 03:26 AM [Orolan's Polygraph Reply]
                                                      120195, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 04:02 PM [Question for DP1]
                                                            120206, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:21 PM [MYoung]
                                                                  120240, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 03:45 AM [thanks dp1]
                                                                  121145, katie, Nov 06, 2003 05:55 PM [question]
                                                                        121188, dp1, Nov 07, 2003 01:58 AM [Standard Sex Of...]
                                                                              122092, katie, Nov 21, 2003 05:38 PM [NO!]
                                                                                    122098, orolan, Nov 21, 2003 09:01 PM [New th...]
                                                                                          122109, steve, Nov 21, 2003 11:34 PM [I agree]
                                                      120220, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:06 AM [Reply to DP1]
                                                            120232, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [Poly]
                                                                  120265, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:50 PM [Dahmer]
                              120116, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
                                    120160, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:47 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                          120221, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:16 AM [Humor, and a question]
                                                120235, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:26 AM [Reply to Orolan]
                                                      120269, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 05:09 PM [Cases]
                                                            120313, dp1, Oct 22, 2003 10:24 AM [Early Term from Probation]
                                                                  120325, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:35 PM [Early term]
                              120117, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 07:50 PM
      120032, Rejected
      120036, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 01:39 AM [Courage to Reveal]
            120070, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 03:14 PM [Judgement]
                  120077, PVulcan, Oct 18, 2003 07:02 PM [Interesting Indeed]
                        120081, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:58 PM [Reply to PVulcan]
                              120096, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:14 AM
                              120100, dp1, Oct 19, 2003 12:50 PM [Everyone's Innocent?]
                                    120110, Silverthorne, Oct 19, 2003 05:35 PM [Why Im whining]
                                          120129, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 11:38 PM
                                                120178, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:08 PM [Lack of Rehabilitation?]
                                                      120226, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 12:34 AM [Rehabilitation]
                                                            120229, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 12:55 AM [Supervision Fees]
                                                                  120266, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:53 PM [Fees]
                                                120329, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Oct 22, 2003 08:30 PM [ Safe, Secur...]
                                                      120333, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 09:06 PM [costs]
                                                            120343, Silverthorne, Oct 23, 2003 03:06 AM [What a rip-off]
                                                                  120361, orolan, Oct 23, 2003 09:42 PM [Therapist]
                                          120179, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 12:16 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                          120212, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:10 PM [Silver's Reply]
                                                120222, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:23 AM [You answred them]
                                                      120236, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:36 AM
                                                120231, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 01:05 AM [My two cents]
                                          121153, katie, Nov 06, 2003 06:16 PM
                                    120120, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:15 PM [We haven't heard from]
                                    120126, simon, Oct 19, 2003 09:08 PM
                                          120153, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 04:22 AM [Does Simon Have A Sense of Humor?]
                                          120174, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 06:06 AM
                                                120207, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 09:43 PM [Great Point But the Real Poi...]
                        120084, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:31 AM [To Vulcan]
                              120097, PVulcan, Oct 19, 2003 08:17 AM
                        120119, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:03 PM [PVulcan]
                              120143, PVulcan, Oct 20, 2003 01:53 AM [interesting still]
                                    120217, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:50 PM
      120043, steve, Oct 18, 2003 02:51 AM [Age of consent?]
            120122, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 08:26 PM [AOC]
                  120258, steve, Oct 21, 2003 03:42 PM
                        120263, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:44 PM
                              120305, steve, Oct 22, 2003 03:49 AM
                                    120326, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 05:42 PM [Simple mistakes]
      120102, yaesu, Oct 19, 2003 03:10 PM [Thanks for the story [nt]]
      120135, marta, Oct 20, 2003 12:29 AM [My opinion]
      120176, lj, Oct 20, 2003 08:56 AM [Question on your therapy]
            120215, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 11:42 PM
                  120223, Silverthorne, Oct 21, 2003 12:25 AM [What happend here?]
                        120327, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:04 PM [Friend's problem]
      120253, HPierce, Oct 21, 2003 02:47 PM [Justice at it's worst]
            120328, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 06:23 PM [Right to speak frankly]
      120775, myoung, Oct 31, 2003 03:32 PM [I just don't get it]
            120795, orolan, Oct 31, 2003 07:38 PM
                  120826, lj, Nov 01, 2003 01:51 AM [Question?]
                        120842, orolan, Nov 01, 2003 03:11 PM
                              120897, dp1, Nov 03, 2003 05:21 AM [Get A Modification for Contact]
                                    120920, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:03 AM [Mind Reader]
                                          120928, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 12:49 AM [Contact With Orolan]
                                          123257, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 06:04 PM [Status Update]
                                                123270, orolan, Dec 17, 2003 09:42 PM [Looong update]
                                                      123272, dp1, Dec 17, 2003 11:02 PM [Out of State VOP]
                                                            123277, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 12:40 AM
                                                                  123279, dp1, Dec 18, 2003 01:08 AM [Orolan]
                                                                        123311, orolan, Dec 18, 2003 08:36 PM
                                                                              123341, dp1, Dec 19, 2003 05:29 AM [Orolan]
                              120902, lj, Nov 03, 2003 05:45 AM [Your paradigm of society]
                                    120921, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 12:11 AM
                                          120952, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:37 AM [I can relate!]
                                                120956, dp1, Nov 04, 2003 02:02 PM [New Board Post of the Year A...]
                                                      120969, lj, Nov 04, 2003 07:05 PM [Clarifying....]
                                                120964, Silverthorne, Nov 04, 2003 05:26 PM
                                                      120970, orolan, Nov 04, 2003 09:09 PM
                                                            120972, steve, Nov 04, 2003 09:23 PM [Post of the year]
                                                            120974, lj, Nov 04, 2003 09:38 PM
      121202, poetsdreamscape, Nov 07, 2003 06:23 AM [what a story]
            121230, orolan, Nov 07, 2003 07:40 PM
                  121346, poetsdreamscape, Nov 09, 2003 05:20 AM
                        121354, orolan, Nov 09, 2003 02:57 PM
                              121427, Silverthorne, Nov 11, 2003 06:02 PM
                                    121435, orolan, Nov 11, 2003 07:02 PM

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The Polygraph Test

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The Beginning