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Thread (Discussion): Is Prevention even possible without understanding?

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Message 120723 (In Reply to Message 120703)


Posted by marta on Oct 30, 2003 03:10 PM | Also by marta
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States
>>>
So when you're a judge, will you be throwing out criminal cases because the laws used to charge the defendant were based on emotion?
>>>
Don't be silly, judges have to hear all prima facie cases, whether they like the law or not. However, as a judge, I will work as much as is possible and prudent to implement the law in such a way as to rob it of it's irrational content.


>>>
Are we to believe that you, a childless person, have a more valid say in what the AOC should be than us, a group of parents with children?
>>>
Than you, a convicted SO, who's conviction was generated by JUST the sort of situation which your proposed law would remedy, and who's brother might have ended up a convicted SO too if the law at the time was enforced?

My whole point is that in such a situation, it is possible that I may be the better judge. That's not to say you're not capable of objectivity - I'm just suggesting you're failing at this point. However, if you look back at my previous messages again, you'll see that it isn't really the standardized AOC that I have a problem with, it's your stupid lack of chastity defense.


>>>
You're being arrogant again. How can you possibly state categorically that I WOULD NOT get a protection order? Do you know the laws of my state? No, because you don't know where I am. You need to think before you make such a definite statement.
Allow me to provide an example from another state. We go to the Revised Code of Washington, RCW §10.14.040(6):
"The parent or guardian of a child under age eighteen may petition for an order of protection to restrain a person age eighteen years or over from contact with that child upon a showing that contact with the person to be enjoined is detrimental to the welfare of the child."
>>>
None of this addresses the legal question at hand, which I implied in my last post WITHOUT HAVING TO READ your particular law, which is that unless the adult is demonstrably harming your child in some other way, you won't be able to do anything to keep your child from seeing them, except to chain them to their bed. If a parent doesn't care that their 16 year old is having sex with a 26 year old, then it's all fine and dandy, unless the 26 year old is otherwise a bad influence on the child, at which point the parents, under the above law, could get a restraining order. But what of the adult who isn't otherwise a bad influence or contributing to the child's delinquency? What can the parents who simply think it's bad for ANY 26 year old to be having sex with a 16 year old do? Nothing, because the law you want to write gives the power to make the decision to anyone 16 years old. Implicit in the law is that no harm is done where a 16 year old has sex, even with an adult 10 years his/her senior. While you may agree with that, I can guarantee that a LOT of people do not.

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Message 120703


Posted by orolan on Oct 30, 2003 12:20 AM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

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120015, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:43 AM [Is Prevention even possible without understan...]
      120021, HPierce, Oct 17, 2003 04:31 PM [Better yet]
            120025, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 05:57 PM [AOC idiocy]
                  120027, betsemes, Oct 17, 2003 06:40 PM
                        120033, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:50 PM [chastity]
                              120050, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 04:50 AM [Prior Abuse or Sex Acts?]
                                    120067, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 01:34 PM [Culpability]
                              120056, SurvivorForever, Oct 18, 2003 07:30 AM
                                    120113, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 05:59 PM
                                          120773, marta, Oct 31, 2003 02:45 PM [You and teenaged girls]
                  120487, marta, Oct 26, 2003 12:31 AM
                        120512, ladyjane, Oct 26, 2003 03:18 PM [So somebody help me understand.]
                              120515, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:48 PM [reply to LadyJane]
                              120550, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:26 AM [Come again?]
                        120514, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:44 PM [AOC]
                              120551, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:38 AM [Stand down]
                                    120580, orolan, Oct 27, 2003 07:54 PM
                                          120602, marta, Oct 28, 2003 01:05 AM [Ah, I see.]
                                                120625, orolan, Oct 28, 2003 09:24 PM
                                                      120672, marta, Oct 29, 2003 03:06 PM
                                                            120703, orolan, Oct 30, 2003 12:20 AM
                                                                  120723, marta, Oct 30, 2003 03:10 PM
                                          120603, Rejected
                              120573, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 04:31 PM [orolan.....virginity]
                                    120575, steve, Oct 27, 2003 05:00 PM
            120051, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 05:04 AM [Minors Are Too Young To Consent]
                  120114, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:26 PM [terminology]
      120039, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 02:26 AM [You Can't Prevent Something From Nothing]
            120061, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:38 AM [Your right DP1]
      120161, Dragonfly, Oct 20, 2003 04:49 AM [An Addendum]
            120199, Silverthorne, Oct 20, 2003 04:37 PM [Depends]
                  120242, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 04:52 AM [just plain crazy]
                        120261, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:15 PM [rewire]
                              120309, myoung, Oct 22, 2003 05:49 AM [girl rewired]
                                    120323, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 04:15 PM [Clarification]
                  120245, Dragonfly, Oct 21, 2003 07:54 AM
                        120247, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:21 PM [Help = $$$$$]
      120182, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 01:33 PM [Dragonfly]
      120183, Rejected
      120594, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 11:41 PM [You go steve!!]
            120600, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:14 AM
                  120601, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:16 AM
      120595, Rejected
      120596, Rejected
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