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Thread (Discussion): Is Prevention even possible without understanding?

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Message 120703 (In Reply to Message 120672)

Posted by orolan on Oct 30, 2003 12:20 AM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

Marta said:
>>>
I don't think that emotion-based laws should ever stand
>>>
So when you're a judge, will you be throwing out criminal cases because the laws used to charge the defendant were based on emotion?

>>>
I, a person with no kids to be hysterical about, and no criminal/civil convictions in my past
>>>
Your status as such simply gives you a different perspective, but not necessarily the one true and correct perspective. Are we to believe that you, a childless person, have a more valid say in what the AOC should be than us, a group of parents with children? Try selling that to the legislature and see how far you get.

>>>
just for a different set of people than you and your brother
>>>
I fail to see where our proposed unified AOC would have changed anything about me or my status as a sex offender, so that is an empty rationale. As for my brother, who committed an act that was totally legal in one state but illegal one state over, the unified AOC would simply level the field in that the acts are either legal or illegal in ALL states so there is no question or doubt.. Is simplification such a bad thing?

>>>
a compelling interest for federal as opposed to local regulation.
>>>
You answer your own question. A compelling interest. What is it and how will it be worded? I don't know. That's why my cousin is involved. As an 8-term Representative, you can bet he and his buddies can come up with one. Obviously he agrees with the concept. But he would, because he is another one of us "hysterical ninny parents".

>>>
You WOULD NOT get a protection or restraining order
>>>
You're being arrogant again. How can you possibly state categorically that I WOULD NOT get a protection order? Do you know the laws of my state? No, because you don't know where I am. You need to think before you make such a definite statement.
Allow me to provide an example from another state. We go to the Revised Code of Washington, RCW §10.14.040(6):
"The parent or guardian of a child under age eighteen may petition for an order of protection to restrain a person age eighteen years or over from contact with that child upon a showing that contact with the person to be enjoined is detrimental to the welfare of the child."

Oops! Looks like maybe I CAN get a protection order.

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Message 120672

Posted by marta on Oct 29, 2003 03:06 PM | Also by marta

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States

>>>
Considering that Megan's Law and the Wetterling Act were written and passed in a whirlwind of personal emotion and knee-jerk outrage, I find this statement hilariously funny. Thanks for the laugh.
>>>

Oh, so one stupid law deserves another?  There is nothing funny about this.  I don't think that emotion-based laws should ever stand, whether they're passed by hysterical ninny parents, politically motivated Florida governors, or convicted SOs with a chip on their shoulder.  But I guess that's the way things are run around here.  So good luck getting your law passed, but in the interim try to REALLY, REALLY think about the implications of the law, using something other than your wounded perspective.  I, a person with no kids to be hysterical about, and no criminal/civil convictions in my past, think that the law, as you proposed it, will be nothing but trouble, just for a different set of people than you and your brother.

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True. But the Fed had no problem. . .especially when two-thirds of the states already have the same AOC.  
>>>

The examples you mentioned (alcohol, speed, etc.) all involved issues which the Federal government was able to demonstrate both an mandate AND a compelling interest for federal as opposed to local regulation.  Explain to me what possible interest the Feds could have in setting a national AOC.

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Then I'll get a protection order. I can do that to keep an adult away from my child. When he violates it, he goes to jail.
>>>

Protection against what?  Their sex is consensual.  Unless s(he)'s harming your child in some other legal way, you can't stop them from having sex.  You WOULD NOT get a protection or restraining order, and s(he) WOULD NOT go to jail.  That's the meaning of CONSENT:  your child can decide to have sex.  CONSENT means that it is the child's decision alone, that you have very little to say about it, except that it not happen on your property.  So if your child persists in going to see their adult, you'll either have to lock them to their bed, or give up and disown them.

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What's the difference? What if the "woman" is also 16? Does she not still have the right to demand support from the father? Is this not still a burden on the parents? 
>>>

Finally, we come to my point.  The "difference" is that we hold a 26 year old to a higher standard of culpability than a 16 year old.  So unless, as I suggested back on the old forum, you also provide stiff penalties where an adult gets a minor pregnant or gives them an STD, there's nothing in your law  to protect the minor against the 26 year olds who apparently either don't know better, or don't give a damn.

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120015, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:43 AM [Is Prevention even possible without understan...]
      120021, HPierce, Oct 17, 2003 04:31 PM [Better yet]
            120025, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 05:57 PM [AOC idiocy]
                  120027, betsemes, Oct 17, 2003 06:40 PM
                        120033, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:50 PM [chastity]
                              120050, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 04:50 AM [Prior Abuse or Sex Acts?]
                                    120067, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 01:34 PM [Culpability]
                              120056, SurvivorForever, Oct 18, 2003 07:30 AM
                                    120113, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 05:59 PM
                                          120773, marta, Oct 31, 2003 02:45 PM [You and teenaged girls]
                  120487, marta, Oct 26, 2003 12:31 AM
                        120512, ladyjane, Oct 26, 2003 03:18 PM [So somebody help me understand.]
                              120515, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:48 PM [reply to LadyJane]
                              120550, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:26 AM [Come again?]
                        120514, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:44 PM [AOC]
                              120551, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:38 AM [Stand down]
                                    120580, orolan, Oct 27, 2003 07:54 PM
                                          120602, marta, Oct 28, 2003 01:05 AM [Ah, I see.]
                                                120625, orolan, Oct 28, 2003 09:24 PM
                                                      120672, marta, Oct 29, 2003 03:06 PM
                                                            120703, orolan, Oct 30, 2003 12:20 AM
                                                                  120723, marta, Oct 30, 2003 03:10 PM
                                          120603, Rejected
                              120573, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 04:31 PM [orolan.....virginity]
                                    120575, steve, Oct 27, 2003 05:00 PM
            120051, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 05:04 AM [Minors Are Too Young To Consent]
                  120114, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:26 PM [terminology]
      120039, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 02:26 AM [You Can't Prevent Something From Nothing]
            120061, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:38 AM [Your right DP1]
      120161, Dragonfly, Oct 20, 2003 04:49 AM [An Addendum]
            120199, Silverthorne, Oct 20, 2003 04:37 PM [Depends]
                  120242, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 04:52 AM [just plain crazy]
                        120261, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:15 PM [rewire]
                              120309, myoung, Oct 22, 2003 05:49 AM [girl rewired]
                                    120323, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 04:15 PM [Clarification]
                  120245, Dragonfly, Oct 21, 2003 07:54 AM
                        120247, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:21 PM [Help = $$$$$]
      120182, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 01:33 PM [Dragonfly]
      120183, Rejected
      120594, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 11:41 PM [You go steve!!]
            120600, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:14 AM
                  120601, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:16 AM
      120595, Rejected
      120596, Rejected

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