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Message 120580 (In Reply to Message 120551)

Posted by orolan on Oct 27, 2003 07:54 PM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

Marta said:
>>>
Nowhere did I arrogate to say that your opinion is "wrong."
>>>
Oh? But you allude that a sex offender and an admitted pedophile are the only people who want a unified AOC. And then you close with this "as evidence of their soundness", which tells me you think the current laws are fine. How would I ever think that you believe my opinion to be wrong!

>>>
how can you argue that all of this has not already occurred?
>>>
Can you argue that it has? Do you have evidence of bills introduced in either chamber of Congress seeking a unified AOC? I sure can't find any. And if they have, who says we can't try again?
Are we to believe, as you seem to think, that every law worth thinking about has already been thought about, debated and either passed or discarded?

>>>
parents be powerless to prevent such activity
>>>
I live in a state that has an AOC of 16, and there is no age restriction for adults having sex with minors of the AOC. But I am not powerless. I have every right to limit who my child speaks to, goes somewhere with, brings into my house, etc. The AOC has nothing to do with that, so I have plenty of "power" to control my child's sexual activity, if any.

>>>
What you are actually arguing, in case you haven't noticed yet, is simply to reduce the age of majority to 16
>>>
I fail to see your logic. Somewhere around 32 states have an AOC of 16 and an age of majority of 18, and around 22 of those have no restrictions on the age of the participating adult. But I don't see mass protests by parents and scores of 16 year-olds demanding that they be given the rights they must otherwise wait until age 18 to obtain.

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Message 120551
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Posted by marta on Oct 27, 2003 04:38 AM | Also by marta

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: N/A, Country: United States

orolan wrote:
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And it's not clear to me why you can be so arrogant in that since you disagree with my OPINION, it is obviously wrong. Perhaps you can enlighten me and tell me what is so WRONG in your eyes about a unified AOC?
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Nowhere did I arrogate to say that your opinion is "wrong."  Such a statement is nonsensical as far as I'm concerned.  My only point was the same as yours:  that the people should democratically decide the AOC.  And what they decide should become law, regardless of whether you think it realistic or not.

My question for you is:  how can you argue that all of this has not already occurred?  Are you so self-righteous as to think that people must not have really thought about this issue, because if they had actually thought about it, they would surely have come to the same conclusions you have, rather than pass these retched AOCs that you find so unrealistic?

orolan wrote:
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Consider that the whole premise behind an AOC and laws about sex involving minors revolves around the concept that the minors are innocent, impressionable, immature, naive and unable to make a decision on their own about having sex. So if said minors are already sexually active with their fellow minors, can you tell me what is left of their innocence and naivete for an adult to exploit and take advantage of? What "harm" has been done?
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I'm not so arrogant as to assume that wherever a parent is angry upon finding out their child is having sex, it is because they were naive and thought their child a lily white innocent.  However, even if we were to assume this to ALWAYS be the case, are you actually suggesting that such parents be powerless to prevent such activity despite their continuing legal liability?  If that's what you'd like, fine, so long as the romancing adult in question becomes the new legal guardian.

What you are actually arguing, in case you haven't noticed yet, is simply to reduce the age of majority to 16.  Go ahead, try getting a consensus on that one.

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120015, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:43 AM [Is Prevention even possible without understan...]
      120021, HPierce, Oct 17, 2003 04:31 PM [Better yet]
            120025, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 05:57 PM [AOC idiocy]
                  120027, betsemes, Oct 17, 2003 06:40 PM
                        120033, orolan, Oct 17, 2003 10:50 PM [chastity]
                              120050, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 04:50 AM [Prior Abuse or Sex Acts?]
                                    120067, orolan, Oct 18, 2003 01:34 PM [Culpability]
                              120056, SurvivorForever, Oct 18, 2003 07:30 AM
                                    120113, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 05:59 PM
                                          120773, marta, Oct 31, 2003 02:45 PM [You and teenaged girls]
                  120487, marta, Oct 26, 2003 12:31 AM
                        120512, ladyjane, Oct 26, 2003 03:18 PM [So somebody help me understand.]
                              120515, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:48 PM [reply to LadyJane]
                              120550, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:26 AM [Come again?]
                        120514, orolan, Oct 26, 2003 04:44 PM [AOC]
                              120551, marta, Oct 27, 2003 04:38 AM [Stand down]
                                    120580, orolan, Oct 27, 2003 07:54 PM
                                          120602, marta, Oct 28, 2003 01:05 AM [Ah, I see.]
                                                120625, orolan, Oct 28, 2003 09:24 PM
                                                      120672, marta, Oct 29, 2003 03:06 PM
                                                            120703, orolan, Oct 30, 2003 12:20 AM
                                                                  120723, marta, Oct 30, 2003 03:10 PM
                                          120603, Rejected
                              120573, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 04:31 PM [orolan.....virginity]
                                    120575, steve, Oct 27, 2003 05:00 PM
            120051, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 05:04 AM [Minors Are Too Young To Consent]
                  120114, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:26 PM [terminology]
      120039, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 02:26 AM [You Can't Prevent Something From Nothing]
            120061, Silverthorne, Oct 18, 2003 09:38 AM [Your right DP1]
      120161, Dragonfly, Oct 20, 2003 04:49 AM [An Addendum]
            120199, Silverthorne, Oct 20, 2003 04:37 PM [Depends]
                  120242, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 04:52 AM [just plain crazy]
                        120261, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:15 PM [rewire]
                              120309, myoung, Oct 22, 2003 05:49 AM [girl rewired]
                                    120323, orolan, Oct 22, 2003 04:15 PM [Clarification]
                  120245, Dragonfly, Oct 21, 2003 07:54 AM
                        120247, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 01:21 PM [Help = $$$$$]
      120182, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 01:33 PM [Dragonfly]
      120183, Rejected
      120594, myoung, Oct 27, 2003 11:41 PM [You go steve!!]
            120600, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:14 AM
                  120601, steve, Oct 28, 2003 12:16 AM
      120595, Rejected
      120596, Rejected

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