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Message 120262 (In Reply to Message 120233)
children versus minors

Posted by orolan on Oct 21, 2003 04:27 PM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

I agree. If you've seen my views on the AOC and teen sex, you know that I see a need for a sharp demarcation between what a "child" is and what a "minor" is. Laws need to move away from the word "minor" and towards the word "child", with a distinct definition of what a "child" is. Definitely single-digit ages, definitely pre-pubescent, probably 14 and under but maybe 12 and under, etc.

I just don't see how we as a society can tell that 15 year-old that he can't make a mature informed decision about sex because of his age, then turn around and say he knew exactly what he was doing and will be held responsible when he does commit an act. We can't have both. And we can't condone molesting two year-olds. Seems that leaves us only one choice, doesn't it?

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Message 120233
orolan

Posted by myoung on Oct 21, 2003 01:19 AM | Also by myoung

Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States

Sorry, my thoughts are usually ahead of my fingers.  I assume I have already filled someone in when I actually haven't.  Yes, my daughter is two and that is the one who was molested.  My other two are 12 and 15 going on 30!  You know how it goes:)  When I think about children being molested I think about a very distinct age group.  I would see the cut off around 15-16 years of age and they really aren't "children" so much as they are becoming young adults.  They have wider perspective, better grasp of abstract concepts, a limited understanding of their bodies and sex, etc.  Like you, I would consider that age group minors but not really children.  Like you, I was once 15-16 so I understand fully where gray areas come into play with regard to consent and sex offenses.  When I speak about crimes against children that absolutely disturb me I am usually speaking of innocent children of the single digit ages and slightly beyond.  I look at teens very differently.  Although any aggressive, violent crime is abhorent in my opinion, I think in teen cases, the lines can become blurred when it comes to differences in age, consensual sex, etc.  I have seen lots of young girls who look 20 but they are only 16 and their minds are even less!  When I see an offender on a registry who, at the time of his conviction, was 19 years old, I do stop and ask myself if maybe he was a victim of circumstance when his MO is girls "18 and under".  It could've been a girl who was 17 and her parents went nuts when they found out she was having sex.  I don't often jump the gun and make all kinds of assumptions because I know it can happen and does.  I konw it is a responsible person who will really get to know the girl (likely discovering that she is a minor) but there are cases where that is a very difficult thing to do and it should not be totally his fault.  I am a female..... I know the game and have played it myself in my youth.  I just didn't realize the danger I could have put the other person in.  Young and ignorant, I guess but that is no excuse.

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120012, simon, Oct 17, 2003 03:48 AM
      120029, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:59 PM [Pathetic sentencing guidelines]
            120044, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 02:54 AM [Juvenile Detention?]
      120040, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 02:35 AM [I absolutely agree Silverthorne]
      120065, HPierce, Oct 18, 2003 10:40 AM [Wait how can this be???]
            120085, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:56 AM [H. Pierce]
                  120104, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 04:07 PM [responsibility]
                        120149, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:53 AM [orolan]
                              120204, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 08:23 PM [how so?]
                                    120233, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 01:19 AM [orolan]
                                          120262, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:27 PM [children versus minors]
                                                120267, steve, Oct 21, 2003 04:55 PM
                                                120275, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 09:23 PM [prime example(sorry it's ...]
                        120177, Rachel, Oct 20, 2003 11:49 AM [Victim or Offender ?]
                              120180, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 01:30 PM [rachel]
                              120181, Rejected
            120214, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:40 PM [What a bunch of hypocrites]
                  120249, marta, Oct 21, 2003 02:07 PM [Read the point wrong.]
                        120254, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 02:50 PM [Point Well Taken]

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