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Message 120104 (In Reply to Message 120085)
responsibility

Posted by orolan on Oct 19, 2003 04:07 PM | Also by orolan

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: N/A, Country: United States

myoung,
Your entire post supports HP's position. How can this boy be held "responsible" for his actions when you yourself say that he is an innocent child who has no idea of what sex is until an adult forces it on him?
I believe you said "Their minds are simply not developed enough to comprehend that responsibiIity". Pretty much says it all.
I don't condone the boy's conduct at all. But if an adult initiated contact with him, you would jump to the other side of the fence and call him an innocent victim.
He can't be both, but using age as a determinant does exactly that.

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Message 120085
H. Pierce

Posted by myoung on Oct 19, 2003 03:56 AM | Also by myoung

Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States

What exactly is a proud pedosexual anyway?  You cannot possibly tell me that a child who has no concept of the abstract can fully understand the magnitude and consequence of consenting to sex with an adult.  Have you been formally educated in childhood development?  By some of your comments, I am assuming...no.  Children see the world in the most amazing way.  They have a level of trust simply born to them that we all adjust due to our experiences with the outside world.  They see things with simplicity and an innocence unmatched by any other stage in life..  They are not really as sexual as you seem to think.....at least not until they have some exposure.  I have raised three children.  Two female and one male.  They are very different, yes, I agree.  But, they were not very interested in sex until someone introduced them to it.  As children, it is one thing to be interested in your own body parts but it is quite another for someone to corrupt that purity by forcing new experiences upon them where they do not belong.  A child cannot give fully informed consent, it just isn't possible.  Their minds are simply not developed enough to comprehend that responsibiIity.  I am very open minded about any subject bur my instinct as a human being tells me that this one is so wrong it does not have a place within the boundaries of my ethics.  I do understand, fully, the process of addiction and I do understand that compulsion can be a demanding strain on one's psyche.  What makes you believe that you have the ability to identify whether a child truly is capable of knowing what they are getting themselves into when they are placed in a precarious adult situation?  What allows them to continue going along with an adult?......fear and shame is my guess.  Fear , guilt and shame are three of the most powerful emotions that we experience.  They are what make the addict remain an addict and a child do what instinct tells them is wrong under duress.  Why do you think most if not all children cry out during an attack and beg the person to "STOP".  They know it isn't what they want but they weren't aware of what they were getting into in the first place.  My feeling is that those who believe it is their right to have sex with children are unable to see the fear and shame in their eyes.  They see and believe what they want to see.  It is like the rapist (of an adult woman) in a blind rage who maintains that the woman wanted him even though she was crying and fighting the entire attack.  Take off the rose tinted glasses!  They have no sense of the burden they are inflicting at the time.

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120012, simon, Oct 17, 2003 03:48 AM
      120029, Silverthorne, Oct 17, 2003 06:59 PM [Pathetic sentencing guidelines]
            120044, dp1, Oct 18, 2003 02:54 AM [Juvenile Detention?]
      120040, myoung, Oct 18, 2003 02:35 AM [I absolutely agree Silverthorne]
      120065, HPierce, Oct 18, 2003 10:40 AM [Wait how can this be???]
            120085, myoung, Oct 19, 2003 03:56 AM [H. Pierce]
                  120104, orolan, Oct 19, 2003 04:07 PM [responsibility]
                        120149, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 02:53 AM [orolan]
                              120204, orolan, Oct 20, 2003 08:23 PM [how so?]
                                    120233, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 01:19 AM [orolan]
                                          120262, orolan, Oct 21, 2003 04:27 PM [children versus minors]
                                                120267, steve, Oct 21, 2003 04:55 PM
                                                120275, myoung, Oct 21, 2003 09:23 PM [prime example(sorry it's ...]
                        120177, Rachel, Oct 20, 2003 11:49 AM [Victim or Offender ?]
                              120180, myoung, Oct 20, 2003 01:30 PM [rachel]
                              120181, Rejected
            120214, dp1, Oct 20, 2003 11:40 PM [What a bunch of hypocrites]
                  120249, marta, Oct 21, 2003 02:07 PM [Read the point wrong.]
                        120254, dp1, Oct 21, 2003 02:50 PM [Point Well Taken]

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